On Sun, 2006-05-28 at 20:33 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
I know *you* are,
Here's the context ... 1. SuSE-based, Fedora-based, etc... Linux now ships with IPv6 LINK LOCAL enabled. What is IPv6 LINK LOCAL used for? _Not_ the Internet. 2. I said IPv6 is a dream because it solves many issues with its autoconfiguration, etc... over IPv4 -- based on that _same_ context of "internal."
and I'm trying to explain that 1) I'm not and 2) just as you saw fit to complain about my mentioning a provider,
I _never_ "complained" about you mentioning a provider. I said it had _nothing_ to do with the "problem" you mentioned. You (among others) added FUD to the context, including Internet.
I don't give a toss about your "interconnecting enterprises".
Context, context, context ... it's everything. If I am wrong, please point out where SuSE -- or even Fedora -- based distros enable IPv6 for the Internet? Now I'm not blaming merely you. This thread has gone into all sorts of forms -- _well_away_ from the _original_ comment/problem/issue that SuSE Linux enables the IPv6 LINK LOCAL IP by default. A 100% LAN/WAN consideration and _not_ Internet. And then we got a floodgate of FUD on what IPv6 does, doesn't do, problems it causes, etc... What does that have _anything_ to do with: - SuSE Linux's enabling of IPv6, _or_ - What I said about IPv6? Now do you understand where I have stood from answer, comment, etc... 1? ;->
I'm just returning the favour, Bryan. I'm fully prepared to make room for all kinds of uses of IPv6, but you were the one who hit me on the head for mentioning "provider" which is where IPv6 could possibly become interesting to my own little world. (which is otherwise quite well served with RFC1918).
Because the _context_ is everything. But nearly _all_ of what I've seen here on IPv6 is 100% based on FUD. Name resolution with the SuSE Linux IPv6 setup has _nothing_ to do with with your provider, the Internet, etc... In fact, that took _my_ comment on "name resolution" being the "root cause" and ass-u-me'd that I meant the ISP. I meant 100% _internal_. Because 100% of what I talked about was _internal_. Because SuSE Linux's IPv6 default is 100% _internal_. Context, context ... surprise ... context!
I'm not trying to make it any such thing, but I suspect most users here are not enterprise-size with a sore need to run IPv6. Do you think a lot of the users have a great need for interconnecting enterprises?
And that's why I did _not_ disagree that it should be disabled. *BUT* when people started saying IPv6 was an issue, and made all sorts of incorrect statements, _that's_ when I started pointing out the _context_ of what IPv6 is enabled in SuSE Linux, and why it _does_ work. I'm all for a checkbox that disables it in the installer. I'm all for educating people on _how_ to disable it. In fact, I'm pushing _hard_ for a question on how to disabling IPv6 in the next revision of the LPIC-1 exams. But I'm also pushing _hard_ for basic IPv6 concepts, configuration, etc... in _all_ future LPIC-1/2/3 exams. Because the amount of FUD out there is rather distracting. Especially people not realizing that what SuSE Linux enables for IPv6 has _nothing_ to do with the Internet. And that's why 100% of my comments were 100% based on _internal_ use. And that's why when my comments "picked apart" (with lots of FUD) that I said _please_ understand why I
Quite so. But that does not explain why people should NOT think Internet when someone says IPv6 - except if those people happen to be members of interconecting enterprises. Frankly, you're the one with a limited outlook, not me.
People think Internet when IPv6 is mentioned because they are ignorant. Then they spread FUD. For the last time ... 100% of why and how SuSE Linux enables IPv6 by default is for _internal_ use. And 100% of my comment on "name resolution" has to do with _internal_ DNS.
I really hate to point out that again I'm just returning the favour. You bring up something that I think is irrelevant, so I'll just be obnoxious too and point it out. You wouldn't by any chance be out trolling, Bryan?
Yes, trolling to provide _accurate_ answers on issues.
From the "root cause" for IPv6 issues in SuSE Linux, to what IPv6 is enabled for in SuSE Linux.
If 90+% of people _disagree_ with what I say, I'll _continue_ to try to educate them on why they are missing my _technical_ points. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ----------------------------------------------------------- Americans don't get upset because citizens in some foreign nations can burn the American flag -- Americans get upset because citizens in those same nations can't burn their own