Anton Aylward wrote:
Its also clear I've seen many operations where syslog is of more importance and email is the audit side.
From your point of view, perhaps. Email in my point of view only started in 1989 when I first brought the DISOSS tape to a colleague of mine who was going to install it. Prior to that syslog was still primarily for audting, and alerts were generated differently. (I grew up in the IBM mainframe arena).
No, this is not about controlling.
SNMP is not just about monitoring. Its has control & configuration capability as well.
Anton, please stop being condescending. It does you no good. I'll repeat that this thread is not about controlling, but about monitoring.
Which distro were you running? [...]
Well, I have difficulty in believing that Solaris, AIX and HPUX all manage perfectly well without postfix/sendmail/exim/<anyMTA>, but I don't have enough experience with those to contradict you. Still, why don't you run openSolaris if that does what you want?
You asked me what I've run, you didn't ask about the settings, the context.
Yes, I did in fact ask you just that. Please don't twist my words. Regardless, I'll then ask you directly about "the settings and the context" - i.e. HOW did you do it?
If I really want to be picky I could add my cell phone. I also have a wireless router than runs an embedded Linux. They don't have MTA and their context is a little more self apparent.
Add your garden gnome and your coffee percolator for all I care - we're talking about openSUSE and similar distros, possibly even other similar UNIX systems.
And yes, some of those enterprise networks had workstations & headless devices that had a simple dumb forwarder.
Which was?
You stated very clearly that "before I installed openSUSE none of my non-mail hub machines and in the specific not my laptop or desk workstation ran Postfix, exim, sendmail or other such MTA.". I'm only asking how you did it, that's all.
We've drifted from the original point
You may have, I haven't.
which was that openSUSE Postfix demanded you have the LDAP libraries installed.
No, that was not my topic when I started this NEW thread. If you feel that is worth discussing, please start a new thread.
As a final note, you seem to think that the MTA is the deciding factor for me.
Not really, no. I don't give a toss which MTA you use. My point was that if you do not install an MTA (sendmail/postfix/exim) on your openSUSE system, you have really screwed your system up.
The MTA is an incidental. This thread was originally about dependencies. As I pointed out, without a specifically configured MTA many users won't see the system generated mails. They may as well not be there, not happen. It doesn't matter that the default install delivers to localhost; /var/spool/mail/root may as well be linked to /dev/null. The problem is that various utilities need the MTA since mail needs a 'receiver'. There should be an alternative "null" MTA that just does "cat - > /dev/null" and doesn't depend on ldap.
cat <<XXX #!/bin/sh
/dev/null XXX >/usr/sbin/sendmail
If the user isn't part of a, for example, corporate network, then what's the point of this mail? The user isn't going to see it.
Who says that the email has to go to the desktop user?
But once again, the real issue isn't what MTA, its that the present install means that useful facilities such as CRON drag in a MTA that drags in other stuff like LDAP. Setting MAILTO="" won't do anything about that dependency chain.
I really think you need to start a different thread on that topic. I looked at one of my server systems, and I think a saw two LDAP-related libraries plus 4-5 YaST2-ditto. Given that the days of harddisk-sizes measured in megabytes are long gone, what is the _real_ problem?
------ I just checked the sources. The "-DHAS_LDAP" compile-time option enables LDAP in Postfix. Yes, it can be built without the need for LDAP.
Of course it can - seriously, you're quite obviously hung up about this LDAP dependency - open a bugreport, document your findings, and get it fixed. I don't understand why you haven't done so long ago? (or maybe you have?) /Per -- /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org