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Well, this is a mentality that a lot of Mac users will just have to get over if they are going to MacOSX. It's Unix..full blown...and it's a whole new ballgame now as my wife is finding out. Granted there are programs such as Eudora, Outlook Express and Powermail for OSX which will fit your bill as far as MUA's are concerned, but you fail to realize that Evolution and Aethera from theKompany are soon to be completed and will do what you want as well. If you don't want to use Linux as a desktop..fine but please don't tell me that it's 1/2 baked or whatever. After you have gone to OSX and see how it operates..then talk about it. It sounds like the same ole " I haven't given it a shot since version blah, blah, blah..so it sucks." That's just unacceptable and it's a weak arguement to make. It's all in what you want. BTW..dragging a file such as a jpg to an app such as Photoshop and having it auto open as it does in MacOS 9.1 and below doesn't work..there are a whole slew of things that Mac users are going to get hit in the face with when they go to OSX ..I see it daily with my wife grumbling about it..yet she loves OSX it's just something different and she will get use to it as she says. I will say this..if I drag a text file to my printer icon in KDE2..hot damn it prints..and if I drag a file to an app icon .. it opens it in the app. Guess Apples programmers didn't take that code from the OSS community yet for their new 1/2 open 1/2 closed OS. ;) BTW..just so you know. I think OSX rocks. I am planning to get a G4 as my desktop soon. Also, the most elegant desktop every created in my humble (yeah right ;) opinion was NeXT..it was awesome and Apple would have done well to just update that and make it OSX. It was 10X the desktop that OSX 9.X and below were..or any Windows OS. It was a pleasure to use..and I did so on my P5-100 for about 2.5 years...which was dualbooted with OS/2..another very nice desktop that shouldn't have died. -> ->> you are happy with this, that's good for you, but not for me. I need ->> to grab a thing , drag it, drop and flip it over ... and be done with ->> it. I don't have time for dissertations in man format on how to do ->> simple things. -> -> Then try KDE on for size. It doesn't require any of that. -> -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.