Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
[...] Quality and openSUSE.org are right now the two main strengths of SUSE. It is true that SUSE reputation for quality got a little dented with the hurried change of package manager in 10.1, but I suspect Novell might well have learned a lesson there.
I wouldn't sign this statement ;-)
Well, we can always hope ...
From my point of view, SUSE 10.1 users were just "abused" as cheap public beta testers for SLES.
But 10.1 underwent a fully public alpha and beta phase - I myself tested all the beta versions, I believe. It's a pity that 10.1 was not delayed to wait for the libzypp fix.
The decisions were clearly not made in favour of a stable SUSE 10.1 release, but in favour of an SLES product. And, I believe, the Novell management would do it again exactly like this.
And no-one can fault them for thinking that way.
So I really have doubts whether a lesson has been learned... At a lower level, say the SUSE Linux product manager(s), or the staff closely involved in the openSUSE project, or the developers, yes, I think they somehow really faced the negative feedback (although I am sure that most of the problems have not been their fault and that they worked hard to make the best out of SUSE 10.1) by the end user and have learned a lesson, but at the high management level...?!?
Well, although I pretty much agree with what you're saying, I think the reasoning might be slightly different: I think 10.1 had to ship as planned because that's typically how American software houses work. European software houses typically delay a shipment when they become aware of a major bug. After all, would it not have been entirely in the SUSE spirit if we'd had a press-release saying "10.1 delayed due to less than desired quality"? But it would probably not have gone down so well with American stockholders. I don't see how the shipping of 10.1 is in any way related to what goes into SLES10 - the beta testing had been done already. To the original statement - unfortunately you're probably right and Novell will not have learnt that particular lesson. /Per Jessen, Zürich --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org