Untrue. We had a lot of WinCentric people in marketing..customer service and a receptionist at SuSE (oakland) that were very happy to point and click through the day and didn't have any real issues with it. My father who is a retired accountant has been using SuSE for the last year and loves his Gnome desktop and StarOffice. He had no trouble with any of it. My father isn't that computer savvy...He is now in love with Konqueror and Kmail..but I guess he did something most people wouldn't do..he RTFM'ed...but he didn't buy a book on it until 7 months into using it. I think Churchill said it best " We have nothing to fear accept fear itself"..people fear change..even if it's a small change. KDE2 and Gnome negate all "it's hard to use" arguements. If they can't bring themselves to use the Linux or FreeBSD Unix environments..I would suggest PPC/OSX as their solution. *shrug* I don't much care as long as it's Unix ;) * Kevin Breit (battery841@mediaone.net) [010327 13:37]: =>While in general I agree with you, I think you're forgetting that you need to =>retrain all your secretaries and people who aren't Unix literate. =>Kevin Breit -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.