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Package management - this is bull - typical developer thinking which has nothing to do with users.
Well... I am not a developer.. never have been never will be. It's not my forte. Haven't got a clue what you mean that package management has nothign to do with users... show me an end user and I'll show you someone who's never quite happy with the software you give him/her and wants to go find other stuff that might suit thier needs. Call it what you will, package management... finding and installing applications... I dont' care. The end user.. me, the people I help install and set up SUSE... want a simple way to find and install applications. In previosu releases, I set up Synaptic and the newbie users were happy. They could start one application, and easily navaigate a simple tree of applications.. around 7500 apps were there for them to pick from. I can get a similar setup now in 10.1, but it's much less "fire and forget" for me. I have to explain the backwards way that SMART works. Or I have to manually enter each repository into YAST. That sucks big time. i dont' have time to do that. I set up a friend on Ubuntu, and he was very happy with how easy Syanptic was to use, and there was about 16000 apps for him to wade through. Kept him amused for days. :-) I repeat though... installing an RPM from a webpage link is very easy with the new Zen thingy. My new users like the ease with which they can click and install... it's very painless. As was said by others in this thread.... something as simple as: - automatic discovery of other unoffical but popular/approved repositories - some sanity brought to the interface. The Zen gui just give a HUGE list of available apps. That's useless. You absolutely need a way of reducing that view down to something managable - just like YAST does with the grouping it does. You also need to show the installed version and the available version in some kind of logical order (something SMART GUI fails miserably at too). Functionally, Zen (or whatever it's called) is working better now... but the UI needs a LOT of work. Especially since it's GTK based... a broken start to begin with :-( C. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org