I have an old HP Envy (not sure how old but it has a Windows 8 sticker on the bottom) with 15.5 beta (because I've been lazy about doing a "zypper dup") on which I just did an update, the first since 26-Apr, so I got a new kernel. When I attempted to reboot, I got "Verifying shim SBAT data failed: Security Policy Violation" and the system shut down immediately. I learned that the solution is turning off secure boot, but now I can't even get into the BIOS; is the only message I see after booting, even if I press DEL at the same time as the power button, with or without CTL and ALT. Does anybody have any other suggestions? I'd even consider wiping the disk and doing a fresh installation . . . if I could get it to boot into anything else. -- Bob Rogers http://www.rgrjr.com/