-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2008-10-23 at 03:12 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
Carlos E. R. said the following on 10/22/2008 10:00 PM:
But openSUSE is not a big enterprise distro, it is a "user" distro.
So you re saying that this should not be used as a desktop Linux in an enterprise?
Can I quote you on that?
Of course you can. I don't work for, nor speak for, SUSE or Novell in any way - except as a community member, ie, one more of the millions that volunteer work for Linux. openSUSE is the community distro. The enterprise distros are SLES/SLED. See Novell page for more info. And of course you can use openSUSE in any enterprise. It's up to you. In fact, many people do. I have.
As it stands, cron can _only_ mail me. It will _always_ mail me.
Not true.
Having tools like cron mail me when everything is OK is like that. Using tools like SWATCH or SEC lets _me_ decide what I need to be notified of and how I will be notified (mail, sms, pager, phone, popup, whatever ...)
Nothing is stopping you from having cron notify you by mail - via syslog.
Nothing stops you from having syslog notify you - dumped from email :-P This way you do not break SUSE scripts and configurations, nor everybody else's configuration. I do not want to use SWATCH or SEC or NFM or whatever in my systems. I do not need it. Them.
This thread began about a dependency. There are other dependencies in other threads - bluetooth for example.
I know nothing about bluetooth, so I will not comment. In general, I prefer not wasting time removing components. Certainly not components as the MTA.
These is also the issue of the context of the installation. laptops have been cited.
Laptops nowdays have many gigabytes of space. Not an issue anymore.
But CRON isn't the only wacky dependency. Have a look at the ldap software you are _required_ to have loaded. Try uninstalling the openldap client or ldap_pam. LDAP is bolted in to a whole pile of things like your printer management, inetd management and http server management. You have to have this even if you don't use LDAP.
Well, I don't use ldap, but many do. Yast can configure LDAP for users login data. I don't care if it is installed. The point is, the moment a program declares that it can use LDAP, by, for instance, linking to a library function of ldap, then ldap will be pulled in by dependencies. Even if you don't use it. That's the way things work here, with rpm. If you think or know how this can be undone, then perhaps you may tell SUSE packages how to do that. There is a packaging mail list.
Try for yourself. In the software installer do a SEARCH for "ldap" with only "RPM REQUIRES". We get such things as Thunderbird, Adobe reader, cURL, and Kgpg. Try some other values to search for and see what other wacky dependencies you can find.
But of course. If Thunderbird has the ability to search on ldap for addresses, obviously this will link some library for/of ldap... so it depends on it. Again, if you want to convince Novell people of somehow removing that dependency, this is not the place. The devs will most probably not even read this. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkAU5QACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XQzACfS4aV2ocAiylU8MXiVgsSlPw5 RPEAn2ZjEQdfuJBfgBEt2qzkx2+f2KMC =Pd4G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org