On 28 December 2015 at 23:39, Xen <list@xenhideout.nl> wrote:
jdd schreef op 28-12-2015 19:40:
Le 28/12/2015 19:35, Xen a écrit :
These portals create too many layers.
not if the portal is here in addition to the other pages. Nobody is obliged to use them, but in some circumstances using them is good (I use them one on a while)
But if you use the Wiki directly (wiki.opensuse.org forwards to it) your access point is through the portal.
So from the front page, the wiki is a tiny link.
I think you might be using the wrong 'front page' Since September, the default home page for users of the openSUSE distributions has been https://www.opensuse.org/searchPage (source code at https://github.com/openSUSE/searchPage, contributions welcome!) This page, as it targets users of the openSUSE distributions, has 'Wiki' nice and clear, in the top right hand corner, as one of the 3 most important things for the users of our distributions (Get Software and the Build Service being the other two) This was announced on news.opensuse.org ( https://news.opensuse.org/2015/09/10/landing-page-published-search-page-to-b... ) and I recommend if you have been using www.opensuse.org as your browser homepage since then, then now is a good time to change it https://www.opensuse.org is, intentionally, targeted more at absolute newcomers to our project. I disagree with your argument that openSUSE ONLY needs to sell itself on its technical merits (we've done that for years). I believe (and I have received feedback from many, many, contributors on this topic for many, many years now, so I believe lots of other Geekos also believe) that the solution is to have both Solid marketing materials, directed towards attracting the sort of people we want to appeal to in the openSUSE Project. The www.o.o website is clearly that idea taken manifest. IN ADDITION to that, we still need exceptional resources for our users, easily found, easily searchable - https://www.opensuse.org/searchPage is a step in that direction, and I hope to see more people doing more work on the wiki to make that better fill the needs of the Project (BTW Source for the www.opensuse.org website is here https://github.com/openSUSE/landing-page and contributions are, obviously, also welcome) A lot of what you're suggesting for the wiki are things I totally and wholeheartedly agree with, but I do not believe we need to have ONLY accurate technical information, we need the explanatory marketing stuff also (but we only need to keep it for as long as it's accurate and relevant - but that is equally true of technical and marketing content) And before someone screams 'why?', here is one point to consider Since launching the new www.opensuse.org website, the user numbers of Tumbleweed *alone* (ie. Ignoring 13.2 and Leap 42.1) now outnumber the published user numbers of Arch Linux Arch is well renowned for it's great wiki, which is often cited as a cause for its success. Arch is also often claimed to be more popular and successful than our Project And yet we're bigger (and better), and now, finally, lots of other people are starting to realise that. Now we've got those users, we need to keep on improving the technical quality of our distributions, improve our supporting materials (like the wiki), and keep the marketing side of things fresh too.. that way hopefully leads to exciting things ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org