I will tell my opinion here too. I've been in the Windows world for years now, but I've never felt offended by the remarks coming from the Linux world since I've always had a sympathy for Linux and "open"/"free" software, as defined in the GPL. Even though it was, and still is a mystery to me some actions of the Linux "fans": I will give as an example the protest at the Win98 launching. I felt miserable for those who participated at the protest... I understand an opposition towards Microsoft. I don't understand an opposition towards Microsoft products' users. It is the freedom of choice. We are free to choose Linux, if we feel it suits our needs best. It is others' choice to choose Ms if they feel they should. Microsoft indeed has a great marketing department. None stops SuSE or RedHat from having one too. We should fight with the weapons provided by ration and logic and not be misled by our feelings. I strongly believe that offending people who use Ms products is not the way of drawing their attention to Linux. If anything, Linux needs enthusiasts and not fanatics. I had a fight with myself until deciding not long ago to finally switch on Linux. Why was it so difficult? (it took me more than an year to decide, while I tried several versions of RedHat - from 4.2 to 5.2) Because it was (now it's estompating/vanishing) a perception of the "old" UNIX users: the command line (prompt) is always the best. Remember, please that GUI is not a Ms invention, but a Rank Xerox one in early 70'ies and it was developed by Apple. Ms just took something it was already discovered. And all the UNIX fans said that "graphical gadgets" that loads the system useless can't be but a bad thing. And I believe that we must make a difference bewteen increase in productivity and comfort in use, added to a ease to learn (not all people want/need to know the inner structure of an operating system) and some graphical gadgets (that Windows I admit has). Right now Linux I think is ready to go in the front line - the KDE graphical environment is the first one I like more than Windows interface. And in plus, Linux has the enormous advantage of letting anyone interested to tweak around as much as he/she desires, unlike Windows. And again, in plus, it has all the advantages of the UNIX OS inheritance, with all the stability, reliability and performance that comes from here. All that still needs to be changed is our attitude. The "save the whales"/"greenpeace" attitude, with fanatic actions, a reminiscence of the times when Linux didn't have a chance against commercial OS's (like Windows) MUST be changed with a more rational, logical and deep attitude. We must replace the desperation of the losers (please remember the protests i mentioned about in the beginning) with the calm and serenity of the winners. Thank you for taking the time of reading my opinion. Dan -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>