also sprach Cliff Sarginson (on Mon, 08 Jan 2001 02:10:41PM +0000):
Firstly I think it may be a huge amount of work, and probably bothersome work, because yast does look after most of the dependencies for you. You should consider rc.config as being the cornerstone here - an the sub-scripts (so to speak) that it calls. In principle this is good system, certainly better than linuxconf, which is a real nightmare. I would be worried that you would be chasing your tail so-to-speak for quite a while. But if you have the time.
the first thing i did when i installed redhat was to get rid of linuxconf. however, linuxconf at least was transparent in that it's operation was straight forward, and the step from using to not using it was simple. YaST is totally tied into the system, and that thoroughly scares me. hey, there's a reason why i ditched that windoze crap to go into the *NIX world - because i like to know and control what the system is doing and exactly how it is doing it. i don't want no 2 billion DLLs and pretty (?) GUIs to hide the important stuff. i want vi and a lot of text files with cryptic syntax (<smile>well, actually... ). YaST scares me, that's for sure. so if i don't end up removing it, i might have to ditch suse and completely surf away on debian forever.
My second reactions (I have asked Suse for an official statement on Yast1 but they are unlikely to give one) - is that if you do a good job of it and package the stuff together a bit you may become famous and all the pissed-off Suse people will knock at your door :)
what do you mean - i am starting to get excited... do you mean that i should find a way to remove yast from a suse system? (reminds me of windoze 98 and internet disabler (uh, explorer)) or should i find a way of making yast better, more compact, more understandable, less mysterious, and less dictating - i.e. enable the simultaneous usage of yast as well as regular vi/text files?
Personally I think my days using Suse are numbered anyway, the direction they are going in, and their complete lack of interest in their small-time users is starting to grate on me. They never listen or respond to suggestions or criticism. They are just trying to out-redhat redhat now.
yup. that's where commercialism leads. it kills the companies. that's what happened to micro$oft. it's happening to suse and redhat. if someone at suse reads this then i would like to express my greatest "sorry" for them because for the longest time, they were the best... read: *were*.
Ah well. Shame really, it is a pretty neat distribution.
can you sum up what makes it neat as opposed to debian? sure, the package management beats redhat's, but debian has a pretty excellent system. and other than that, i am starting to believe that suse = debian + rpm + yast. martin [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo madduck@!#:1:s@\@@@.net -- please keep your hands off the secretary's reproducing equipment.