2008/10/24 Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com>:
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com> wrote:
How? Their goal was not to recode KDE 3.x and if 3.x has something that _you_ feel is missing then speak up. Everything that the KDE devs felt is missing has been or is being addressed. Same for everything that _I_ feel is missing, as can be seen in the bug reports that I've filed (literally, over one hundred)
I use a limited set of stuff in KDE3 and turn off almost all of the eye candy in it. I also work a full time job, have kids, and other interests outside of Linux.
I have two kids, and I study full time in the university as well.
As I find things, I bring it to the attention of this list, and if a bug report is warrented, I do file them. However, I have neither the time nor the resources to do this. KDE4 is an example of fixing something that wasn't broken in order to add new features.
KDE 4.x is not a 'fix' of KDE 3.x, at least not so far as KDE is concerned. The fact that Suse is dropping support for KDE 3.x is a different matter, but the KDE community still supports 3.x.
That's the problem. They "released" KDE4 way before it was ready and now WE have to go through and figure out what THEY forgot?
That's what a community is. Not US vs THEM.
The KDE devs have came out like that, not the community.
When? There was the whole "we need devs, not users" thing, but if you are familiar with the details then you would know that the KDE devs were actually arguing the same thing that you are. KDE is still supported, and those who want specific KDE 3 features in KDE 4 need only ask in most cases. But don't expect a bug-for-bug port of KDE 3.x in Qt 4 unless you code it yourself.
They acted like they didn't need the users.
Actually, one dev even said exactly that, but that is taken out of context.
The openSUSE devs are the ones who are doing the leg work to make stuff work. I'm not going to get into that whole situation again. The devs pissed off enough people with some of their comments. And, in a way, they are right. They are coding it for them. But if they expect others to use it, then they need to rethink their roles.
It's the Suse devs who are replacing KDE 3 with 4, not the KDE devs. The KDE devs still support and code for KDE 3.
That's not how it works. I try to give back to the community by doing what testing I can, but I don't have time to sit down and do their job for them.
Then don't code. But if you feel that something is missing, then say what it is.
I don't code. Couldn't code to save my life. I used to just buy SuSE, but since I can download it now, I try to beta test to give back.
And still I have not heard what is missing? The wallpaper? The colour of the icons? The Modifier Keys applet? The bugs in Konqueror? What?
How many times is it necessary to list this? Maybe we should have a wiki page so that it's not continually rehashed here.
Please make that page and send to me a link. Or, feel free to email to me the issues and I will file them.
And to be honest, I haven't even started a KDE4 session in so long, I couldn't even tell you. I did just download the KDE4 livecd for Beta3. When/If I have time to look at it, I'll be sure to leave appropriate feedback.
Please do, thanks.
When you tell us what you feel is missing, I will address it.
Actually, as it stands, I don't know that I really care about what is missing. I'll probably continue to use KDE3 for as long as I can. I see no need to fight with something new, when the older version does what I need without all the hassles.
I also plan on sticking with KDE 3.x at least until KDE 4.2 is available. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü