-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2009-12-08 at 03:06 +0100, Philipp Thomas wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:23:06 +0100 (CET), you wrote:
But it doesn't mean at that checkinstall is broken by design, not at all!
Could we agree to disagree? I think that we'll never come to terms on this one :)
Ok, ok :-) (to me, design is the initial work)
No doubt that the packages you people prepare are better than those we can hope to make. Nevertheless, We may have our reasons to roll our own packages now and then, for special reasons.
Yes, and then a system like the OBS or at least using the build command and miles better then checkinstall.
No doubt! But for me, having to prepare the spec file instead of having it automatically created is daunting. That's why users like me use checkinstall. We don't want packages for distribution, just a method to keep the rpm database correct.
Yes, I have known since years that you devs have no interest in checkinstall
If that would be true I wouldn't have created a package for SuSE Linux back then. Originally I thought it was a neat idea and would help people build packages. Please remember my interest in checkinstall is as a packager, not as a author. And most of my time is needed for products that earn the money that's used to support openSUSE.
Ok, no current interest in checkinstall, then. Some of you jump on top of us when the subject comes up in the list without giving explanations, like the one you posted on another branch of the thread, which has convinced me.
, whereas we users do have, but can't do anything about it.
Not all users. There are some that have learnt (or are learning) to build packages and that use the obs to build packages for themselves and/or others.
With a lot of effort. If I don't mistake the chap name, I asked him to document his process. A howto for newbies. Still, that makes sense if you want to publish packages. It doesn't make sense if I just want to recompile a different (older, newer) version of certain package with other options, or one you don't prepare (decss) for local use. It would take me a week to create the spec file, instead of just running a single command or two. For instance. One of the packages I make is xine, because I translate it. I get the cvs version, modify/complete the translation, then compile install it to check results. I need it fast. Sometimes I make an rpm for the mo files alone. It does not make sense to use the obs...
If I have to learn how to create spec files to create rpms I will not use the buildservice for making my private rpms.
So be it. It's a service that's free for you to use or refuse. If something like the obs had existed when I started dealing with packages I would have been overjoyed, BUt people differ :)
I agree completely that for you is a wonderful tool. No doubt at all about that. But it is not for my purposes...
I'd rather just run make install in the /usr/local tree (another can of worms, I know). I don't see the advantage, and I can't build multimedia packages there, it is forbidden, anyway.
No, doing 'make install' isn't any better, I'd have to agree.
And about the time... what do you prefer
Me? I'd always prefer tinkering with packages >;->
If instead of growing with MsDos I'd had linux, yes, me too :-)
or that I spend that time translating, say, opensuse for use by others,
Guess what? I'm doing both :)
Good for you :-) But you are paid to do packaging, or programming, or whatever. You probably do one thing on your paid time, the other on your free time. That's nice. My current job has nothing to do with computers :-(
or helping the community in some other way that I can do well?
It doesn't count what I prefer, what counts is what *you* prefer.
Well... it would take me weeks to produce a package for private use. You do that much better than I ever would. That's a waste of time, IMHO. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkseOAIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9W6EwCgigKwx55BRotDfOGe8NDZkF8T TtIAnA8lV1wOF/wSbIt6tp1OdQM2kSRL =Nq8P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org