On 09/04/2018 08:50 AM, Richard Brown wrote:
1. is a slight annoyance which anyone on any SUSE or openSUSE distribution before 15 needs to deal with
I even have to take my hat off to that diplomatic whitewash.... Meant constructively. That rivals the best political spin, and is akin to statements by M$, e.g., explaining the rash of blue-screens and 8 hour failed updates for the 1803 roll-out. ("some customers experienced slight difficulty with the upgrade...") The un-whitewashed version reads "Before 15, there were problems with btrfs". Why spin on a technical mailing list? This is one place where the discussion must be fact, statistic and code based. Why does it seem impossible to get a straight-answer regarding brtfs? <quote> Looking briefly at the thread it seems obvious to me that the user in question had a number of problems 1- an old installation with an old btrfs layout - modern btrfs installations have /var as a single subvolume. 2- a disk too small for their use - 40GB should be fine for many users, but that is just a default. After all anyone storing anything in /var, such as logs, is going to be 'robbing' space otherwise useful for snapshots </quote> WTF? Those are the YAST defaults. Is that the problem? If someone actually uses /var, then the defaults are insufficient for btrfs and that leads to / running out of space? Should YAST pick up on the "old btrfs layout" a change appropriately to avoid the slight annoyances? It seems like there should be a preliminary question (or two), or at least an information box on the YAST partitioning page that could provide guidance here. Especially if it will help avoid problems. /var holds the mail stores, fax stores, mysql tables, cups-pdf and a combination of other system and user files that can vary wildly in size. It would be useful to at least inform, if not have a separate question before the partitioning page in YAST to clarify "Do you have storage requirements for a large number of logs, mail users, a fax server or a large database that will require additional storage?" YAST adds a separate /var partition I just look from the standpoint of providing a btrfs set up that can be as fire-and-forget as reiser or ext4. If a few additional install questions or information boxes, and an update to the YAST partitioner will help -- let's do it -- so we eliminate these "slight annoyance" circumstances. No doubt progress is being made. We have gone from weekly "Root is full" posts to monthly or less -- to that's progress, but if the new user which opensuse has been geared to for the past decade is still have problems with the YAST default partitioning and filesystem selection -- then there is still more to do. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org