Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, ezekielk@sj.bigger.net produced:
At 08:50 PM 5/23/98 -0700, you wrote:
And if you do so, I will have to write to your ISP that you are maliciously spamming a mailing list. You have been warned, right here, right now. And I can assure you --- no provider is willing to put up with this.
Following up our own post, are we? So you did finally manage to read. Fine, even though: "I will not defend myself against your immature remarks; it's not worth my time" as you said in <<A HREF="msg00914.html">3.0.5.32.19980523205033.007c33e0@sj.bigger.net</A>> just a few minutes ago. And now you have the guts to call me a liar?
Spamming? That's an outright lie,
Nope. I stand to what I said. And it's the truth.
like so much of what you said.
Ah, then you could have emailed me, and detailed on the points. Mind you, basically I said that it is a bad idea to reflect any messages to the list, and a few minor things, but you don't want to listen ... Ok. Go ahead. Do it. Give me a tiny little reason, please. As to the content, you quoted it, everyone can read it. They can decide for themselves.
Do you even know what spamming is?
Yes, and I've been around before there even was spamming. Or UCE or UBE.
Of course you do...it is mass mailing to hundreds, if not thousands and millions, of people,
Depends on the usage. Spam, in it's original form, is usenet-based. You
unwelcome advertising of a product or service...
This too is called spam, but technically is UCE. There is UBE, which is the same without advertising.
to the point where it clogs the Internet, and even brings down major nodes.
Your action (and the ineviatble mail loop you'll produce) will clog the SuSE server and render this list unusable. That is a denial of service, mailbombing, probably computer sabotage, etc. In this way, yes, you can call it spamming, as much as you can call sending UCEs spamming.
To accuse someone of that, when the accused party is innocent, would be legally dangerous on your part.
I am not in the US, our judges belive in common sense and I am not afraid. Also, if you read what I said, I didn't accuse you - yet. Anyway you'd have to tell your provider why you should keep the account and not be held liable for your deliberate malicious actions. As I said, you have been warned, and now warned again. You know what you do. And if I complain I'll be sure to include these facts. As they say, it's entirely your decision. You may cry that I now hold you hostage of your own actions, but you hold me and a few 100 others hostage for somebody else's actions.
You might have your way for a while, but sooner or later, you'll have to deal with serious legal repurcussions.
Like? The people on this list may applaude so loudly that my eardrums bust. They may flood my mailbox with thank-you letters. Both are risks that I am fully prepared to risk. As I said, you make this list unusable - you get a complaint logged with your provider. Have a look in the AUP.
I hope you don't carry it that far, for your sake more than for mine.
I stand by my words. I signed them digitally. Let's repeat: I answered to you: ("He" == Michael Lankton)
He is on my twit filter. Here is how I have the filter set up: any private message to me that now comes from one "satan@nfinity.com", will automatically be sent to my trash bin, as well as forwarded to "suse-linux-e@suse.com". That way, all will see his mail to me--if any more does arrive--without being bothered about it myself.
And if you do so, I will have to write to your ISP that you are maliciously spamming a mailing list. You have been warned, right here, right now. And I can assure you --- no provider is willing to put up with this.
This is what I mean by some people, yourself included, as behaving in a hysterical manner.
No, I like this mailing list. I have to say "sorry" to every single person on the list. Because you will clog up the list anyway, it's wiser to level the field, and better for witnesses.
Also, to accuse me of spamming, without any proof whatsoever, is likely to get *you eliminated from lists and services, more than it ever would me.
Let me see ... I guess I have logged more spam complaints than you can count. Usually I was right on the mark. I still have all services and lists I want. Also, you are new to the net, obviously: If I log a complaint with you provider, he'll perhaps notify you, depending on the provider and the circumstances ... or just go ahead and freeze your account. It's a thing between me and your provider and between you and your provider. Now, tell me how my provider comes in, please? And tell me how SuSE and non-SuSE lists come in, please? (But PLEASE use email. I read email.) I am calling your bluff. Dare to call mine? In small words: Email sent to you: DON'T reflect them to the list. Got it? fine, if not, it's ok with me, too. -Wolfgang PS: You don't have to BCC a message to the list to me, if you CC it already. -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". If you've nothing at all to hide, you must be boring. Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. Is our economy _so_ weak we have to tolerate SPAMMERS? I guess not. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e