Greetings one_inch! I might be totally out of line but it seems to me that these decisions are made by the company's CEO / CTO and other owners, how does discussing it with the employees help? It seems to me that having a competent CEO /CTO that knows more than just business it the key to success. If that CEO /CTO don't know about something then they need to get some "specific targeted education" or else they better know someone who has this specific targeted education. Think back to the Henry Ford days, the guy was very dumb intellectually, but because he knew where to find the folks needed to get the job done he was a success. I am not even saying that the CEO /CTO is dumb. I am just saying that either they are a leader who makes decisions and stands by it or not. All the whining in the world isn't going to change that. A smart CTO /CEO (or whatever you call em) IMO is going to have an ear (could be someone paid just to listen and report back with strategic plans) out for discussions exactly like this. After all the public can either be your best friend or your worst enemy. With all that said, I agree there should be some ISO's. I may not totally understand the reasoning behind the choice not to have an iso up. If anything use an OLDER version of SuSE. Say 7.2 when 7.3 is on the shelf. etc.. they could take down 7.2 and put up 7.3 when 7.4 is out. At least having something trailing the current distro if it was 7.1 that would be cool too. I ain't going to get into how new folks do or don't know how to burn an ISO or download packages. There's plenty of HOW-TO's to guide them if they are motivated. diskjuggler and easycd come to mind. I am more concerned with what your saying. I believe in what you are saying about making an iso / iso's available (Has any other distro put out all 7 iso's to download for free?) Yet on the other hand I really like SuSE and as a company I am really hoping they are going to be around for years and years, there is too damn many companies getting sued and going out of business and bankrupt and chap 11 bla bla in the world and I am sick of seeing Linux companies take a fall. I would be very pissed off if SuSE disappeared because of some freaking problem with money. I buy SuSE because , a) the manuals kick ass I found stuff in them that isn't in other distros. I like the manual's layout style, and Index's. (My last mandrake manual's index was... well let's just say to be improved. I usually just cracked open the "Mastering Linux" book when I got in trouble.) b) it contains nearly every possible thing I can imagine to download. (sometimes I start downloading something from say freshmeat--only to find out it's already installed!) c) I made some very cool friends among it's users and they have been very nice compared to others. Most believe in helping 10 other people in repayment of receiving help themselves, and I buy into this phillosophy 100%! d) There are some very intelligent folks working the security half of SuSE . (If they ever left I might consider another distro) P.S. I couldn't find your other message because I just re-subscribed this list late yesterday.. I could do a search http://www.netsys.com/suse-linux-e/ but I wouldn't know the keywords to search for eh... ;o) Maybe you can find your message above and let us know. Although I pretty much said what I wanted to say right here. Thanks phil On Saturday 16 February 2002 09:26, you wrote:
SuSE claim that they have removed the x86 ISO'S from their FTP because of development costs. And I understand that they need money to help support their cause. But I feel they dont need to take down their ISO's and shove shove shove to get people to go out and buy their software. And I do recall stating that SuSE does deserve to be supported and that I DO SUPPORT them WHEN and WHERE I CAN. I dont make alot of money and I'm sure there is alot of others out there that dont make alot of money either and feel the ame way about supporting SuSE. There are alot of Newbies out there that dont know the first thing about downloading a distrobution package by package and installing from a hard drive OR makeing ISO'S out of the packages and installing that way. And SuSE provides NO HELP on this subject. I have talked to LOTS of people on IRC that are interested in giving suse a go and dont want to fool around with live eval cds, if they wanted to do that they would go get Demo Linux. They want it on their hdd and test it on their actual system, BUT again they dont know how to go about getting the distro package by package, And AGAIN, SuSE has no help files or howto 's on this subject matter. Or they really dont feel like going through the BS of it. ALSO They dont want to go out and buy it because if they dont like it, they just wasted their money. So SuSE is in turn shooting its self in the foot. They are hurting them selfs more then helping them selfs.
if everyone will please find my earlier message I have a HUGE list of this concerning this matter, If everyone will please find it and read it. This is a good topic to discuss, and it NEEDS to be explained and talked about but the SuSE employies.
feed back, please
one_inch
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