My 2 pence on the windowmanager debate: -KDE: Pluses: Helpful in de-stressing the learning curve for Win95 converts. Nice graphics in KFM, w/ useful browser-like interface (back/forward buttons, etc). Minuses: Easy for newbies to become overly dependant on KFM for routine sysadmin tasks that are better performed with the command-line (or w/ mc, etc.) Greatly in need of a clickable "kill" option on to get rid of errant processes (as in WindowMaker). Grey color scheme and icons monotonous. Good for: Web surfing & some administrative tasks. - WindowMaker: Pluses: Superb & inventive color scheme; quick & light. Minuses: Workspace fiend (WM 14.1) useful, but right/left buttons too small for ease of use. Would prefer one-click invocation of apps from the dock, rather than old Windows-style double click. Good for: Grooving with your favorite apps. -Enlightenment Pluses: Eye candy. Minuses: Crashy (at this point); resource-intensive; few apps relative to other WMs. Would be a great visual environment for graphical work (w/ Gimp, etc.), but too memory intensive for this. Good for: Late night visual fixes. Others? This is a cool and useful thread; let's keep it alive. Glenn Sullivan -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e