On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 22:18 +0100, Peter Onion wrote:
In my experience since 5.2 (the first SuSE I used) upto 10.0 SuSE used to get it right first time... Now it seems they are following the M$ method of letting their customers find the bugs in new releases :-( Peter (sticking with 10.0).
Not singling Peter out, he's been far more tame than many here. First off -- to show I'm quite unbiased towards Novell-SuSE -- I'm a heavily biased Fedora Core user (have been since Red Hat Linux 4.2) for my personal/professional desktop, and I have to admit that I make more money deploying RHEL/RHD than SLES/NLD for enterprises (although I still have a good amount of SLES 8.x/9.x experience). I came on to this list to play with SL 10.1 for x86-64 after continuing to deal with a few Red Hat decisions on x86-64 that continued to erk me -- although some other, key differences between FC and SL have now kept me with FC (not of any fault or limitation of SL -- it's a long story). So secondly -- with that said -- I rather tire of the comments I've seen on SuSE Linux 10.1 that I can only call "rhetoric." Other than YOU and some update utility/policy changes in 10.1, I've yet to see anything that falls under the label of "buggy" or other, common Microsoft demonizations. I don't think they are justified and unless you want to give _specifics_, please limit them. In many cases, I've seen Novell-SuSE developers admit to their changes and issues and -- I'm sorry -- it happens when you change things. You can't always test everything before it reaches the users. People talk about "testing" but the reality is that integration and regression testing a distro still doesn't give you the broadness that the market's end-users itself will have. Even a comprehensive set of systems under test in even the most comprehensive lab environment often only gives you a 1 or 2-sigma feel, and nothing like the common 3+ sigma feeback end users will instantly give you upon release. Again, I haven't seen issues beyond YOU/updating -- something that was admittedly changed. It's not realistic/applicable to demonize a release for one thing that has nothing to do with usability. It's the same, chronic and non-applicable problem we have with people who label distros because they couldn't install it -- it gives you absolutely no sense of using the distro. Just my $0.02 ... I couldn't hold on to them any longer over the past few weeks. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------- Illegal Immigration = "Representation Without Taxation" -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com