i just installed apt-get, after reading about it in many posts. After running apt-get update there was some seemingly odd output, i attached the whole session, but essentially for every package it said "WARNING: 'hwinfo' has 2 packages with same version but different dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug." This repeats for every different patch or package. Does the two package warning have anything to do with the fact i have two listings in sources.list? Or does it have to do with the patch rpm's? maybe i should stop guessing! here is what i have in sources.list, besides the commented debian stuff. rpm ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt SuSE/8.0-i386 base usr-local-bin funktronics packman-i386 packman-noarch update kde gnome gnome2 mozilla ximian extra security rpm-src ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt SuSE/8.0-i386 base usr-local-bin funktronics packman-i386 packman-noarch update kde gnome gnome2 mozilla ximian extra security Also, was i supposed to remove the debian listings in /etc/sources.list? I've since commented them out, so that should remove the beginning 404 errors, i hope. i installed apt-0.3.19CVS-20011212.i386.rpm libapt-0.3.19CVS-20011212.i386.rpm is that all i need? I'll probably get synaptic tomorrow. Thanks Franklin,