Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 01 October 2009 22:10:54 Mike McMullin wrote:
Nifty, however in piston driven automobiles, there still exists the crankshaft, the hand crank was replaced by an electric crank (Starter motor?). ;)
Exactly my point. HOW DARE THEY!!!"§!"§!"!!!!!!!
Don't they realize that IF MY BATTERY DIES I WON'T BE ABLE TO START MY CAR
This is a simple operation that used to work in EVERY CAR, and now they expect you to PUSH your car until you get somewhere where they MIGHT have a new BATTERY.
THIS IS SO OBVIOUS PEOPLE!!!!!!! Why do engineers have to CHANGE WHAT WORKS!
Anders
Actually, I can start all of my vehicles without the starter. I do need a tiny amount of battery juice to feed the alternator, or else no sparkies, but I don't need the starter nor a tiny fraction of the battery power needed to operate a starter. As common as automatic transmissions are, they are in no way mandatory nor desirable in all situations. So, I don't have any. Sure, internal combustion itself is probably going away eventually. So what? At that time so will transmissions, both automatic and standard , and starters of any form, so it will be moot and I will not have any reason to want to keep my manual transmission on a device that doesn't even need any such thing as a transmission. The point is we are dealing within a given context, that being unix-like-systems. There are any number of ways to get computing tasks done and linux and other unix-like systems are by far just the beginning, The first charming retarded baby steps. And on a unix-like system, for better or for worse, it has been long established that one will find ifconfig. You dont' have to like it, you just have to realize it. Progress? Yeah ok. ip is nice. But in the world of supporting a lot of servers doing actual work for companies that rightly have no patience for dinking around, common denominators are nicer. Common denominators mean your staff spends more time producing and less time reading up and performing experiments on the latest replacement for some command, or reading up and performing experiments on this *nix's equivalent of some command that that other *nix has. Common denominators mean fewer mistakes, and in IT as with many other fields, mistakes can be company-killing expensive. ifconfig exists in almost exactly the same form on probably every single unix-like os. It's on all the old commercial versions of unix that didn't ship with compilers by default and ran so reliably that they are still in production long after the manufacturers have gone away, all the way up to it's on my new Palm Pre. Many of those other systems do not have either ip, nor a compiler to compile it, nor any such thing as /proc or /sys, and some have /proc but it has none of the extra and poorly thought-out stuff that linux has in /proc, which linux is now finally realizing and trying to move into /sys... But they all have ifconfig, and ifconfig works almost exactly the same way on all of them at least for common and simple things like simply reading the status of the interfaces. It's nice that new systems have ip. It's nice that ip may be a better designed way of doing things. It's true that, if you happen to have the luxury of only having to deal with new systems, and only linux, and you will be off on some other adventure and unimpeachable when your lack of foresight hurts your customer in a couple of years, it's probably better to use the newer better tools across the board. None of that grants the moral position to say that therefore no one could possibly have a need for, or be better served by, ifconfig, or any other traditional utility that has been in use a long time and is common across a wide range of platforms. Anyone who says "oh well any server that old should just be replaced with a new one running linux!" (without knowing anything about such servers or what they do or why or for whom etc... or even if the server is old at all instead of say, a brand new and superior freebsd system) automatically and immediately removes themselves from the discussion on grounds of ignorance, incompetency and lack of basic wisdom or plain sense. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org