On Tuesday 14 April 2009 04:20:41 Larry Stotler wrote:
Oh, so I'm a 5 year old now?
I wasn't referring to you
I ask for KPersonalizer to be ported so I don't have turn waste hours trying to figure out how to turn off that glitz and I'm ignored.
You weren't ignored, it's a valid request. There just has to be developers available for it. In 4.3.x there will be a new "welcome"-application, but I'm not 100% sure what will be in it
I ask that we be able to remove unneeded crap like avahi and pulseaudio and I'm looked at like I'm crazy.
Not at all. pulseaudio is easy to remove, "zypper rm pulseaudio". So is avahi, "zypper rm avahi". I don't see any huge dependency issues
Why do we need all this crap as dependencies? What's so much better than alsa and is pulseaudio a stable replacement for alsa?
Well, no, pulseaudio is on top of alsa. I think it's supposed to be a replacement for all the various sound servers, mostly gnome's esd, but I'm not sure. I don't think it works very well either. It would be an advantage in general if the various desktops used the same sound system though. Raw alsa doesn't do sound multiplexing on hardware that doesn't natively support it, so it's not an option for most. But I agree that pulseaudio needs more work
And why do I NEED a search tool? What's that new thing that's integrated into KDE4 - neopunk or something. Last time I checked, I removed all that garabage. Now I HAVE to have it?
Of course not. KDE System Settings->advanced->Desktop Search. Not a must have at all.
Why don't you tell me what is in KDE4 that I NEED to have? Show me one feature that makes it compelling for ME to use it. Show me how it's rock solid and stable and doesn't need a new video card. Tell me I don't have to constantly update it to make it usable. Don't include any glitz - that's not something I care about. The ball's in your court now. Tell ME how much I NEED KDE4. I'm willing to listen.
Honestly, it doesn't sound to me like you need any kind of KDE. You seem more a windowmaker, or afterstep guy. New video card? Of course not. All graphical effects are off by default unless you have a graphics card that is known to work with the effects (new-ish nvidia or ati with a proper driver). The basic desktop you can run with any non-neolithic graphics card. KDE4 has an improved infrastructure, which makes it easier for developers to develop new things. KDE3 was in a technological cul-de-sac, just look at the problems they had getting kicker and kdesktop to play nice with each other. Pre-kde4.2 I can agree that end users had a hard time, but now I don't see what the issue is Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org