Hello, On Fri, 13 Feb 2009, Larry Stotler wrote: [beagle hogging CPU]
"Since it's under heavy development, bugs are frequently introduced and fixed"
Which is basically the same thing we complained about with KDE4. It seems in the quest to add the latest crap, we've seen a comprimised distrobution. Having used SuSE for 10 years, I must say that I've found that it's less polished since it became community based.
If you've been using SUSE[0] for 10 years, do you remember early KDE3 versions? Early KDE2 versions? Early KDE1 versions? ALL of them were Krap[tm]. KDE 1.1.2 was the first (and ISTR last) usable KDE1 version. Incidentally, on my old and still main box[3]: $ rpm -qf /opt/kde/bin/startkde kbase-1.1.2-156 (and that was an update) So go figure. I might have liked later KDE 1 versions. But ... ISTR KDE2 took about a year after 2.0.0 (2.2.x?) to be useful. So (shut up already[1] and) please don't blame KDE's dysfunctionality on SuSE. It seems to be typical for KDE to be still unusable for quite a while after a x.0 version. Basically, you can use the last (few) x-1 version(s) before the next x.0 major release, or so it seems to me. If you happen to like KDE, generally speaking. Oh, yes, I do strongly oppose openSUSE defaulting to new KDE versions, though I don't care, as I neither like nor use KDE at all[2], except for troubleshooting other people's problems (and once in a while to confirm it's still Krap[tm] and barely Krawling[tm]). Would I not need to look things up at times, I'd (grudingly) only have the libs needed for (basically) a few apps and a couple of games installed on the newer box with openSUSE 11.1. As a matter of fact, I (grudgingly) got a bit more than that, for looking-things-up purposes. I can't argue with not enough diskspace[4]. ;) (Gnome? Nahhh, same shit, different flavour, but generally more stable, which is why I tend to prefer to run GTK (or Gnome) apps over QT/KDE apps. Don't like the desktop either.) Oh, and concerning "compromised" distributions: remember 6.0 and 6.1? Or 6.3 or 7.0? Can't quite remember the "fuzz" about later 7.x, the 8.x and 9.x series. 9.x had IIRC some quite serious issues. I'd say many of those were at least as "compromised" as any "openSUSE" version thus far. Oh, and yes, 6.2 had some serious flaws, too. I know. I had to fix them on this very same installation. Least of all, the kernel compiled with the Intel-MTRR bugfix, which was falsely activated on Athlons, and thus prevented booting. SuSE very quickly provided a corrected kernel. Go on, go dig a bit in the ML Archives ;) -dnh, using WindowMaker since Jan. 2002 (as it appears looking at my ~/GNUstep*, or earlier). PS: no, this time, the sig is not random ;) [0] in whatever spelling [1] SCNR [2] a random datapoint: on my old box[3], XFree86 3.3.6 + WMaker take less than 6s to start. On the new box[4], Xorg 7.x + WMaker take about 16s to start (mostly due to the slow-starting Xorg). Also on the new box, Xorg 7.x + KDE3.5 takes at least 60s (more like 90 -- have to time it one of these days). And I think I don't wanna know what KDE3.5 would take on the old box. Oh, and that's KDE without any Krap[tm] like animations and CPU-hogging frills. [3] Athlon 500 (500 MHz), 320 MB PC-100 SDRAM, IDE/UDMA66 disks (quite enough of oomph and RAM. I got typically 150-200 MB RAM used as Buffers+Cache, with rarely much swapped out (usually browser (cache-)junk or when I'm in a large NG with leafnode/tin (each needing >80 MB))). It happily runs my day-to-day stuff, like XEmacs, mutt (large MBoxen (this one is currently at 95MB and no sweat, mutt uses <24 MB RAM)), tin+leafnode, a more or less current seamonkey (previously mozilla, with a couple of extensions/addons (Prefbar, NoScript, AdBlock)), various games, and whatnot. i.e. this box is "(mostly) fast enough". [4] Athlon64 X2 3800+ (2x2.0 GHz), 1 GB PC2-6400 SDRAM, SATA2 disks (mucho RAM. Typically ~200 MB used, 800 MB used as Buffers+Cache, almost nothing swapped). It's about 8 times as fast as [3] (e.g. when encoding stuff with mencoder and the x264 codec). Purpose: Numbercruncer (encoding), fileserver (currently 7.8TiB (formatted), 8.5TB nominally), and gamestation ;) -- "No, it's not clunky. It's as slick as Gnome. It's just that it's FUCKING HIDEOUS. I'm thinking of a multicoloured clown car with functionality. In between the musical horn that's too loud, the custard pie thrower and the complimentary box of Whizzo chocolates." -- Red Drag Diva, on KDE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org