I know this is probably OT to many of you, but I thought you'd appreciate it. As many of you know I work for LA county, which has 98,000 employees. I currently am in charge of computers for one department, with about 1,100 employees and roughly 800 PCs/60 servers. We are entirely Windows based. One of my buddies works for our retirement association - connected to us but separate at the same time. They run GroupWise, Netware and several dozen SLED machines. I was talking to him about the situation with Novell's marketing this weekend, when he brought up Brainshare. Apparently he ended up at a round table discussion with Ron H. where Ron started talking about Novell and SUSE marketing. My buddy point-blank asked Ron, "what Novell?" Essentially no one ever hears of SUSE or Novell. He went on further to describe how pathetic the marketing is compared to the onslaught of MS marketing that he and his management must fight every day. Ron apparently gave some wimpy reply that they are "working on it" and that marketing should get better. To which my buddy - a CNA from the 3.12 days - replied that he'd heard this for over a dozen years. Nice to hear we're at least talking to the Novell management. :P -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org