Richard Brown composed on 2018-02-10 20:21 (UTC+0100):
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Richard Brown wrote:
Fine, then you want to use atomic updates. Use them - transactional-update is supported in Leap 42.3, 15, and Tumbleweed
https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-01/msg00367.html
That looks a lot like the way DNF works in practice, which IME is awful, filling up filesystems with rpms, then complaining they cannot be installed; often impossible to fix if interrupted. I wonder if modern snapshot/rollback implementations would be as popular as they seem to be if their developers and users weren't using solid state storage devices instead of rotating rust. I remember when a complete OS fit on a 720k floppy, and know that previously they had fit on less than 160k.
I can't deal with Thorsten's diction. Is there a transcript somewhere for that video? Does it contain material missing from his year-ago list post?
Interesting!
Let's see those links. [...] Oh... :-(
TK> What do you need to be able to use it? TK> - A recent installation of Tumbleweed (updating from older versions, TK> especially installations made with openSUSE 13.x, will not work) TK> with btrfs and snapshots enabled. If your installation is not TK> recent enough, the script will tell and warn you and refuse to work.
Ok, but my system has been upgraded from SuSE 6.2 upwards (ie, it is much older than 13.x), so it will not work. And I do not use btrfs, either.
Welcome to the 21st century, we have new technologies, built to address the problems with your primitive systems from the dark times.
We think you'll find it interesting here if you adopt our modern ways ;)
Adopting requires adapting, which requires time. I don't much care for allocating time to fixing what ain't broke, like many who have been around more than 6 decades, and value what's left of our time more than we used to. I have more than enough excess of todos over round tuits. Many things work as well as they did days, weeks, months, years, decades or centuries ago, at least as well as new, ostensibly improved versions complete with their brand new bugs, and even when not as well, well enough to stick with, with or without reasons that have anything to do with the technology involved. My car, newly acquired 28 months ago, is 2 decades old. My house, which dad built when I was 13, is 53 years old. CD players had been around at least 5 years before I stopped buying vinyl. DVD player/recorders had been around more than a decade before I bought one. I still have no mobile phone or pay TV, and use daily the 12' satellite dish I bought 30 years ago. OS/2 was over a decade old before I switched to it (instead of Win98 or NT) from DesqView. I test drove SUSE roughly 5 years before using it to replace OS/2. EXT4 was mainstream probably a decade before I started using it instead of EXT3, and still I usually don't use it except for / filesystems. Installation targets and /homes here remain on rotating rust exclusively. Is the tail wagging the dog? BTRFS here would require magnitudes of changes in the way I do things, not the least of which are disk space allocation and backup/restore procedures. All of my installations are on multiboot PCs. Most of my installations have freespace somewhere in the 0-25% range on the / filesystem and have been installed without recommends, or separate filesystems for any but /home and /usr/local. I cannot see snapshotting on a single storage device in my foreseeable future. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org