On 2012/04/08 20:35 (GMT-0400) Anton Aylward composed:
Felix Miata composed:
Note OS/2 feature subthread started at this point by James:
On 2012/04/08 13:20 (GMT-0400) James Knott composed:
Actually, all desktop designers should take a hard look at the OS/2 Workplace shell. It included a lot of nice features that I haven't seen elsewhere.
Fast (cf. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283366)
How fast things are under KDE/Gnome or anything else depends on many things, not the least of which is 'eye-candy'. I find turning things off (ala LXDE) and making everything 'snappy' annoying.
Waiting multiple seconds for something that's instant in other contexts is annoying too. I globally disable as much bling as possible before first start of X after a new install: #/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/70-composite.conf Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Disable" EndSection
Current DIR File list of current DIR Configurable favorite locations
All there in Konqueror/Dolphin.
Why do Konq/Dophin keep coming up in this subthread? My file managers are OFMs, which work essentially the same regards whether X works at all, or even what OS I'm booted to. This subthread I'm in is about accessing files through open applications I actually use, like SeaMonkey, SMplayer, K3B & KSnapshot, using the KDE file picker, and comparing the KDE file picker features to the features of the optional OS/2 file picker I use. It is due to the OS/2 picker features that are absent from other pickers that I remain entrenched in OS/2 for as much as it is able to do for me (including running my DOS Swiss Army Knife apps).
Oh, and in KDE you can define what directory an app will start in.
What I care about for purposes of this thread is exclusively what happens when I have an app open and I enter its file -> open and save as menus, and how quickly it's possible to complete the task at hand.
Most recent files (must have; one click open) Most recent dirs (must have; one click select)
Fuzzy concept there; most recent for what? Most recent that you've moved/copied to?
Apparently fuzzy to everyone but me and other OS/2 users using XFile. Most recent access, whether file or dir, which for some apps differs between open and save as. In KDE I'm forever navigating from ~/Documents to wherever I just was or was last and wish to remain or return to. On OS/2 here all such locations are at most 2 clicks away, and as often as not are where the picker already is, unlike the typical case for any Linux DE I've ever used.
Konq/Dol have both "back" (as in previous, stack) that applies to each
Irrelevant. I never use Dolphin, and infrequently use Konq to access local files.
tab AND "up" (work you way back up the directory tree) that applies to each tab. That strikes me as 'more general' and more useful.
"Work back" are key words. Lots more than two clicks most of the time, and infrequently zero.
I also use "F9" to get a sidebar of directories, which is also configurable. Again, more general and more useful. And I can define 'vertical tabs' on the sidebar to give new starting points for lists of directories.
More Dolphin? Then more NA.
When supported by app opened from, opens in last DIR used by that app (must have)
That's a function of the app; a sensible, well coded app will also have 'previously opened files'.
Good thing they do sometimes or about the only things I'd use Linux for are Apache and testing web pages in alternate browsers across platforms. Only Windows is solidly more frustrating. Mac is smarter in picking files, but for other reasons nothing I could consider for daily use.
There's nothing here we can't find in KDE.
Except what nobody but me seems to grasp. Fastest possible access to files through open apps to me is crucial must have. Until the very recent 4.8.1 improvement to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283366 KDE4's file picker made everyday use of KDE4 a whole planet away from consideration. Even with that huge improvement it's still taking several seconds beyond the instant response I'm used to in KDE3 and OS/2.
There is an evolution of sorts in action. Yes the good ideas are spoken of and in this open source world someone will implement then. If it catches on, great, if not then perhaps it wasn't that desirable.
It's also why some people refuse to leave what ain't broke and don't need fixin'. Not every mutation nets a benefit.
Obviously those ideas from OS/2 had some value, but the developers found that putting them in the desktop manager rather than the file manager made more sense.
Is the KDE file picker not part of the desktop manager? I seriously multitask, even for TV. TV without PIP/POP more than transiently to me is a painful handicap. Multiple apps stay open for days, not minutes, across 7 desktops minimum. File management outside OFM is almost as painful as coping with Windows, where the chores would just pile up instead of ever getting done. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org