The Friday 2004-04-09 at 18:08 -0700, Kastus wrote:
We were talking about lack of information about problems or bugs for which SuSE has not made a patch available, not those for which there is a patch.
I'd rather prefer SuSE folks spending their time on fixing the bugs than talking about the ways they gonna do that.
That's not what we ask for.
Sometimes they are reported here, sometimes there is a report in the SDB - like the ntp problem that started this thread - but there is not a list of known problems for each distro that you can check when installing (during at least its two year lifespan) for problems you should be aware of and correct manually or automatically - and those needing manual action are the most important, the automatics are done by YOU already.
I am not sure I understand what you are asking for.
That I can see.
If I install some package all I'm getting is the files from that package, it cannot provide information from the future (in case something becomes known after the package was created).
Say, some bug is discovered in a package, then a patch package released to fix the bug, and that package will provide reasonable explanations.
Wrong. Read again - and we were not talking about "future bugs": |>From: Philipp Thomas |>... |>The bug *is* fixed, it just won't get issued as an official update. But |>if a serious bug is discovered and therefor an update issued, it will |>contain the fix for a minor bug. See? There is no patch for that bug - well, wasn't, it has been released now, after months of been reported. I don't have a complaint with that, not much: because that is the known SuSE policy that only promises security patches.
YOU is the mechanism which is supposed to keep your system without problems. I believe it is more reliable than manually looking through some document, figuring out what is relevant to my system and what is not.
You don't understand the problem. YOU only patches _security_ related bugs, not the rest. The rest usually get no patches. We were talking about those bugs for which YOU does nothing - but the problem and the solution is known. There are only (sometimes) report on this list and the SDB. And that is what happened with ntp. There was a bug reported here four months ago and there was no patch released, because it was considered unimportant, and it was not a security risk. There was only a note in the SDB - where you can only discover it if you are searching for a problem with ntp, because you have discovered yourself there is a problem with ntp. The patch has been produced recently - as reported on this thread - maybe because we were talking about it, or maybe because it was due for other reasons. No complaints with that, we know that SuSE does a good job, and that they listen when they can. What we are asking for is: A list of those problems known but not solved by YOU yet, and the solution if known - and in the case of ntp, it was known: only a pointer to the SDB article was needed on an index of known bugs. In other words: at list a web page listing known problems with links to their solution, for any problem not solved by a YOU update - one web page per version of the distro would be fine. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson