On 2007/07/09 09:46 (GMT+0200) Clayton apparently typed:
Felix Miata wrote:
ubuntu is quite tempting :D
Why do you think so? It has a whole bunch of different CD you need to choose from according to which desktop environment you want (Gnome, KDE, XFCE), and whether your installation will require advanced install features.
And SUSE doesn't have several CDs and/or DVDs? You're not keeping up with what is happening in opensuse-factory I take it :-) In addition
I was going by what comes in the latest available retail box, and I did mean per architecture. Factory I install via HTTP. ;-)
to the usual DVD and 6 CD set (for 10.3), there is also now a KDE specific install CD, and a Gnome specific install CD. Kinda sounds like Kubuntu and Ubuntu to me. It makes sense. Why download Gnome if
It makes for confusion among nOObs trying to make an intelligent choice. In *buntu there aren't just architectures and desktops to choose from, but also certain other installation options are only available in either the standards or the alternates but not both.
you don't like it (ie the entire 6CD or DVD set) and all you need is the 1 CD KDE (or Gnome) version (or vice versa) and a connection to the Repositories?
Actually once you have an OS installed on a system, you don't need anything but an installation kernel, installation initrd, and something that can load them - no iso or CD or DVD is necessary, so I rarely have need to download or burn them.
Ubuntu is a Debian, which makes it quite a bit different from SUSE.
It's not that different. OK, based on deb not rpm, but... so? What difference does that make in the proverbial grand scheme of things?
While that's certainly a consequential difference, it's hardly the only thing I was referring to. Debians dump everything but single into runlevel 2, which can make a number of otherwise simple troubleshooting and configuration tasks more vexing. You can't drop from runlevel 5 to runlevel 3 to halt a broken X. You can't drop to runlevel 2 to kill all networking. You can't feed a grub prompt a 3 to prevent X from starting on boot. Try and figure out what they substitute for chkconfig. I haven't found anything yet.
(other than that some files are not in the places you may be used to.. eg apache is not in /srv/www, it's in /var for some reason).
Duh!
Once it's installed, on a day to day use basis it's still Linux... it does all the same things as openSUSE. It even does some things far better - repository package management being the number one thing that Ubuntu really does well... and where openSUSE lags far behind. (my opinion of course, but also why several friends of mine I converted over to SUSE over the years have dropped SUSE in favor of Ubuntu for desktop use)
How do their users use a command line to locate a particular package they don't know the name of? With such helpful repository directory names as 1, b, 3, d, etc. it can take quite a bit of time to hunt down and fetch a package compared to looking in distribution/version/repo/type/suse/arch/ with mc ftp.
One thing really worth noting about Ubuntu (and it's variations) is, that it really suffers for a lack of a decent system config tool like YAST. We like to complain about YAST until we're blue in the face, but once it's gone, you suddenly discover how much you used YAST, or at least appreciated YAST.
Not an inconsequential reason why I replied to the OP. Buntu's Adept GUI package manager should be named inept, and smart isn't a characteristic I'd apply to its Smart GUI.
I've triple booted and more on my computer. It works fine - the
All mine except a few old clunkers are multiboot. Most have more than 2 OS installed, many more than 6.
Ubuntu installer will find the other OSes installed and create GRUB entries for them. Just be aware that the last Linux installed will (usually) be the one who supplies the boot manager (GRUB usually). If
That's an unfortunate circumstance of most Linux installers, which assume unnecessarily that the best place to install a boot loader is the MBR.
you prefer the openSUSE GRUB, boot to openSUSE, edit GRUB to add in the details for the new install, and rewrite openSUSE's GRUB in place of the new Linux install's boot manager.
Unlike some installers, at least Buntu's will permit you to install no bootloader. Once you've got Grub installed in a suitable place (an active primary partition), there should be no need for anything but you to touch it, and only menu.lst at that. -- "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteoousness." 2 Timothy 3:16 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org