On Sunday 04 June 2006 01:08, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Renegade Penguin wrote:
"Renegade Penguin", again, please do not top-post, it's very annoying, now *I* have to fix your email layout. And using real names is much nicer BTW ;)
(As annoying as the bottom post is to us?) Sorry couldn't resist, and refuse to get drawn into another top versus bottom posting discusion.... Renegade, the people in this list feal very strongly against top posting.... right or wrong, either way it's the standard for all SUSE lists, and has always been that way. Think you can compromise and give into this?
Martin Schlander wrote:
Either we help with technical problems on this list or we don't - I say we don't - or do you think we should differentiate - and help some but not others?
+1, this list is not for technical issues.
I also agree, that if we started helping technical questions, it would confuse people more than really help. And the danger of this list getting swamped with technical questions is very very real....
Accepting technical questions on this list would effectively kill community building. Until now "spam" has been kept at a pretty low level - but only because we have been quick to redirect people to the correct mailinglist.
Exactly. Allowing technical topics on this list will kill it (and it's already damn near the red line).
I say Houghi is doing an important and unpleasant task. If you have suggestions on how to make the message more polite please post them.
100% ACK
Houghi is doing a good job at redirecting them, thanks for moderating.
I add my thx to Houghi also.... It's an unpleasant job his doing but a necesary one.
I actually did have a good idea, and posted it. The occasional helpful issue is pretty good. Houghi writing to them *privately* instead of in public, upsetting others, was the suggestion that I used. I did this in the public arena so that it can be an open discussion, and hopefully result in positive solutions.
I don't think writing to them privately is the best option. Could be discussed though.
If there is a discusion, then my 2¢ is not to private... It seams to me that would open other can of worms. My experience is that any private email is an open invitation to private help. I simply refuse to PM anybody asking for help.
There is a line between helping on technical issues and moving them to other lists. The grey area exists in building community. I'm starting
Read my li^H^H^H email body: /this list is not for technical questions/.
to perceive more of what appears to be a hostile attitude, not by one particular person but my more among the group. This is why I sounded off - to try to keep things positive as well as help others who may want to sound off on the debate.
Now, I find that very offending.
1) I don't see anything "hostile" in houghi's reply and if you do, as houghi asked you about 2 or 3 times, please come up with a better proposal as for the content of his email - but the following aspects are not up to discussion: this list is not for technical questions, and there should be no replies to technical questions
2) our community has a hostile attitude ? Explain this. Really.
I understand both sides of the story. But I also had to swallow twice when I was "asked" to go to the technical list. No I don't know of how to phase it better.... how about one of our European colleagues? as they are famous for their tact, and sauve?
Depending on the level of the technical questions - see the "anything RIGHT with 10.1?" threads among others - sometimes general problems or even specific problem discussion can be helpful to the rest of the community.
Yes, but on suse-linux-e, which is dedicated to technical issues, not here.
Also, I know tone is not conveyed in e-mail much so I'll give you an indication of my mood as well, which is constructive.
My mood: offended by "what appears to be a hostile attitude, not by one particular person but more among the group"
cheers
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