Tex, <BR>In my case, what I did to get rid of Xeyes was go into .fvwm2rc or .fvwm95rc in my HOME directory and # out the line that refers to <BR>Xeyes. It is in there at least two places, and there may be more, I cann't remember for sure now. I took the clock out also, as I didn't <BR>like that big round clock up there, but am still trying to figure out how they get the small digital clock in there. <BR> If you don't have a .fvwm2rc file in your Home directory you have to go find the file that controls the Xwindows manager and do <BR>the above, but I followed the instructions, and created the ".fvwm2rc" file. <BR> You do the same things for the redundant clocks if you wish. Taking things out is easy. Just pound them out! Or # them out, BUT <BR>putting something else in that will run can be a real learning experience! Ahhhh, but you are then a programer in Xwindows....... TEX wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Has anyone found out how to get rid of Xeyes and the redundant clocks In the windowmanager?? I have read and experimented and killed my window more times than I care to continue. I have changed in emacs, english as root, as user, as nobody,... The book makes it seem so simple.. then it completely leaves something out..... (probabably the important step).. In the case of the colors menu. Never seen It. <BR>And I think It should step you through if you choose "make wm in English." I just want sound and to get rid of some stuff that seems redundant. <BR> Thanks a million. <PRE>-- LINUX IS THE PATH. TEX <A HREF="http://www.ccms.net/~mhtexcollins/78704.htm">http://www.ccms.net/~mhtexcollins/78704.htm </A> __ / / __ _ _ _ _ __ __ / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / /____/ /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ ...for IQ's Greater than 95...</PRE> -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e</BLOCKQUOTE> -- <BR>73's Roy KC4IMC rkeeley@dibbs.net <BR>kc4imc@maf.wa4wbi.ampr.org <BR>Snail Mail = 10675 Salt Aire Rd, E., Theodore, AL 36582, USA <BR>APS #158954 - C&LS #162 <BR>