On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 04:09:43PM +0100, Derek Fountain wrote:
The thing is, kwin only takes a couple of seconds to start or stop too. What takes the time is the rest of it: the session manager restarts my prefered application set; the panel starts my applets; something (dunno what!) starts my mixer, klipper (which many people curse but I couldn't do without), alarm monitor, power management daemon and so on. I use all this stuff.
True. Don't forget artsd for sound management! If you need all that, KDE is best for you :) By the way, my seconds to start includes starting 2 xterms and gkrellm which I have in my .xinitrc.
My email client of choice is kmail. My web browser is konquerer. My file manager is konqueror too. My news reader is knode. None of these will start or run any faster if I run them under GNOME or IceWM or anything else. And if I choose to replace them with smaller, lighter components, I loose the integration.
There doesn't seem to be a happy medium. I was hoping GNOME2 might be it, but it appears not, or not yet at least.
True, true. KDE apps run slower, or at least start slower in any other environment besides KDE. I like all of those apps you mentioned above, but some of them are not the main apps I use. For example, I use mutt for mail and pan for news. So, my "working set" of apps is somewhat different than yours and that makes the tradeoffs different. Perhaps part of the fun is putting together different "working sets" of apps. The one app that is very hard to replace is Konqueror as a file manager. The Gnome gmc lacks many features, and Nautilus is too slow for me and overfeatured (note I haven't tried the one in Gnome2). My best substitute so far is xftree, which is bundled as part of the Xfce window manager, even though it is an independent program. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ Right behind you, I see the millions Got spam? Get spastic http://spastic.sourceforge.net