On 11/20/2012 01:20 AM, Oddball wrote:
Op 19-11-12 20:32, Anton Aylward schreef:
Your real problem, I think, is that you want answers, whereas most of the people here want to teach you how to use Linux.
I do not see why wanting answers is a problem.
There's the old saying
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
I know how to fish, i even know people that catch fish and sell them, for real good prices. Which makes my effort to catch fish, say, like overdone. I do not want to know how to invent a wheel, i just want to use one.
Just so with point answers to your questions vs how to use the documentation. Its not about putting you down, its about encouraging you to learn and be able to cope for yourself without having to use us a crutch.
As said, we differ opinion about this. If a fireman wants to save somebody from a burning house, and he did not study the blueprints of the building first, what should he do, let that person burn in the flames, because he had to learn how to study the blue prints of a building, instead of asking for the door?
You can say it is not the same. And that s correct. What is the point here? You have a list for what? To tell people not to use it? Just stop treating other people like children. If somebody asks a question, he indeed is looking for an answer. Why all this rubbish around it? You think you are better than someone else, so you want to teach him/her things he/she does not want to know. Why? Why than try to read, or answer the question? Just ignore it, and go on with your business. I always want to treat people with respect, but than i am forced to loose my temper, so you can tell my not to. I just call this games. And if i wanted to play games, i would go to a place where games are played. If i want to have an openSUSE question answered, i go to this list: opensuse@opensuse.org So get used to it, and if you do not want to answer my questions, just ignore them.
I have no intention to be rude, or to offend.
For the most part I have to agree with Oddball. I do appreciate all the knowledge available on the list. I also appreciate all the work that has been done to make Linux such a great OS. I still consider myself a Noob even after about eight years of using Linux, one distro or another, full time. I know that many people have been using Linux since way before there was a GUI. Most can do everything they want/need to do using the CLI, and that's fine. But, everyone needs to understand that new people coming in do not want to use the CLI. If I wanted to do everything on my computer in CLI I would still be using DOS. Back in my old DOS days I had some very large, and intricate, BAT files to run my computer. That way I didn't have type everything all the time. Developers designed GUI's because people don't want to use CLI. People want the convenience of point and click. The majority of the time when a Noob asks a question the first thing is , "in a terminal............" At that point you have just ruined the Noob's Linux experience. Thats why when someone mentions Linux to a Noob they come back with, "That's only for nerds and geeks." That's why Linux has the reputation of being hard [ impossible ] to use. If you want to keep Linux as the secret OS available only to yourselves thats fine. But, understand that there will always be a few of us stubborn people that will figure out how to make Linux work for us in spite of you. Sometimes a simple answer IS the best way to teach someone how to use Linux. -- “The only difference between death and taxes is that death doesn't get worse every time Congress meets.” — Will Rogers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org