[opensuse-fr] Re: [opensuse-project] Re: Alionet.org + openSUSE.org
Hi alexis, Le 21 sept. 2012 à 09:49, "Alexis \"Agemen\"" <a9emen@gmail.com> a écrit :
On 21 September 2012 07:45, Florian Leparoux <florian.leparoux@gmail.com> wrote:
Le 20 sept. 2012 à 23:35, Jim Henderson <hendersj@gmail.com> a écrit :
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:20:25 +0200, Florian Leparoux wrote:
We need to think for all non-english openSUSE community and not just for the french community.
We do currently have a number of non-English language sections on the openSUSE forums, including a French one - I don't know if you've talked with the moderators of that group (though I know someone from Alionet is talking to swerdna as well).
Jim
In fact there is a thread in alionet.org, in the ML-FR, a discussion with opensuse moderator, #opensuse-fr and for finish in this ML
Flo
--
Hi everybody,
I guess it's time to explain a bit why we did this proposal, and why we think it is a good idea...
The original objective is, as underlined by Florian, to make the french community more coherent. I say french here for simplicity, but that's a bit broader because this forum is used by french speaking people, not only french. The french community is quite parceled out. Participation to the broader, international project, does not suffer from any problem. There are people participating to packaging, IRC and other parts of the project from both forums. Fortunately. That would be a real shame otherwise.
Currently, Alionet is offering some services. There's not only a forum, but blogs, a CMS dedicated to news and an independant wiki. There has even been an IRC chan... To be honest, that does not work. We don't want to do that anymore, splitting our energy in redundant projects. Whatever will be decided in the end, the wiki will certainly disappear. It's already hard enough to maintain one, let's not maintain both. And as I've said, we already decided to remove public IRC chans linked to Alionet. There are still some private ones, but dedicated to technical discussions around the website.
In my opinion, though, three things must not disappear. First, the CMS (for the news), then the blogs. There are not much that are written in french, and that's a good store front. People interested in openSUSE can have news about it in french. That may seem silly, but... well... french people are not always at their ease when it comes to speak english. So they can't stay tuned with the projects and actions made by openSUSE, or not in a single place.
That said, it's time to speak about the forums. Alionet is way more used than the french forum in forums.opensuse.org. There are many more posts there... Of course, that does not do everything. That's just some "fact"... If we consider only people using forums (everybody does not particpate to a project the same way... some prefer MLs, other IRC, other forums, some use many of them...), it seems the Alionet community is wider. I may be wrong.
On the technical side, we're actively working to enable nntp. That's a problem because, for historical reasons[1], our DB uses an iso charset, while the vBulletin nntp plugin requires UTF8. The SSO part may be more difficult, however...
Finally, some side notes. Florian presented Alionet as a "concurrent" of openSUSE. I don't think it is. Alionet is an association "loi 1901" in France. The main reason, originally, was that we wanted to have a clean way to collect money to pay our server. Until then, it has been proven that, at a local level, it is a good way to gather people and to strengthen the links between them.
The Alionet association has been legally created to "promote free software, the GNU/Linux operating systems, and particularly SUSE and openSUSE". I think it is self-explanatory. Moreover, since the creation of the association, we've tried to participate to FOSS events, on openSUSE stands. I went to the RMLL last year, in LUGs and in Solutions Linux this year. I may be in Paris again in October. Each time, we've made this with openSUSE mates. And I say mates. Even if I'm the "president of the association Alionet", I'm also a member of the openSUSE community, and that is always a real pleasure to meet other members of this commmunity. And I personnally don't care if they are "from Alionet or not". Alionet as been thought as a relay, as a support, from the beginning. We won't fork the distribution, we won't try to beat openSUSE. We want to work with and for openSUSE. Call us concurrent if you want. I, personnally, wouldn't.
I hope this message helps the debate in some ways. I will follow this thread, of course... as I do most of the time on openSUSE MLs.
Best wishes,
Alexis "Agemen".
[1] The former server were Alionet lived was not dedicated, and we then did not have the choice of the charset for the db. That's a shame... and fixing that takes some time. -- OrbisGIS supporter.
I just want to say : thanks for this explanation. I think for the global comprehension this message can help everyone. Florian-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-fr+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-fr+owner@opensuse.org
Le 21/09/2012 10:42, Florian Leparoux a écrit :
Hi alexis,
Le 21 sept. 2012 à 09:49, "Alexis \"Agemen\"" <a9emen@gmail.com> a écrit :
On 21 September 2012 07:45, Florian Leparoux <florian.leparoux@gmail.com> wrote:
Le 20 sept. 2012 à 23:35, Jim Henderson <hendersj@gmail.com> a écrit :
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:20:25 +0200, Florian Leparoux wrote:
We need to think for all non-english openSUSE community and not just for the french community. We do currently have a number of non-English language sections on the openSUSE forums, including a French one - I don't know if you've talked with the moderators of that group (though I know someone from Alionet is talking to swerdna as well).
Jim
In fact there is a thread in alionet.org, in the ML-FR, a discussion with opensuse moderator, #opensuse-fr and for finish in this ML
Flo
--
Hi everybody,
I guess it's time to explain a bit why we did this proposal, and why we think it is a good idea...
The original objective is, as underlined by Florian, to make the french community more coherent. I say french here for simplicity, but that's a bit broader because this forum is used by french speaking people, not only french. The french community is quite parceled out. Participation to the broader, international project, does not suffer from any problem. There are people participating to packaging, IRC and other parts of the project from both forums. Fortunately. That would be a real shame otherwise.
Currently, Alionet is offering some services. There's not only a forum, but blogs, a CMS dedicated to news and an independant wiki. There has even been an IRC chan... To be honest, that does not work. We don't want to do that anymore, splitting our energy in redundant projects. Whatever will be decided in the end, the wiki will certainly disappear. It's already hard enough to maintain one, let's not maintain both. And as I've said, we already decided to remove public IRC chans linked to Alionet. There are still some private ones, but dedicated to technical discussions around the website.
In my opinion, though, three things must not disappear. First, the CMS (for the news), then the blogs. There are not much that are written in french, and that's a good store front. People interested in openSUSE can have news about it in french. That may seem silly, but... well... french people are not always at their ease when it comes to speak english. So they can't stay tuned with the projects and actions made by openSUSE, or not in a single place.
That said, it's time to speak about the forums. Alionet is way more used than the french forum in forums.opensuse.org. There are many more posts there... Of course, that does not do everything. That's just some "fact"... If we consider only people using forums (everybody does not particpate to a project the same way... some prefer MLs, other IRC, other forums, some use many of them...), it seems the Alionet community is wider. I may be wrong.
On the technical side, we're actively working to enable nntp. That's a problem because, for historical reasons[1], our DB uses an iso charset, while the vBulletin nntp plugin requires UTF8. The SSO part may be more difficult, however...
Finally, some side notes. Florian presented Alionet as a "concurrent" of openSUSE. I don't think it is. Alionet is an association "loi 1901" in France. The main reason, originally, was that we wanted to have a clean way to collect money to pay our server. Until then, it has been proven that, at a local level, it is a good way to gather people and to strengthen the links between them.
The Alionet association has been legally created to "promote free software, the GNU/Linux operating systems, and particularly SUSE and openSUSE". I think it is self-explanatory. Moreover, since the creation of the association, we've tried to participate to FOSS events, on openSUSE stands. I went to the RMLL last year, in LUGs and in Solutions Linux this year. I may be in Paris again in October. Each time, we've made this with openSUSE mates. And I say mates. Even if I'm the "president of the association Alionet", I'm also a member of the openSUSE community, and that is always a real pleasure to meet other members of this commmunity. And I personnally don't care if they are "from Alionet or not". Alionet as been thought as a relay, as a support, from the beginning. We won't fork the distribution, we won't try to beat openSUSE. We want to work with and for openSUSE. Call us concurrent if you want. I, personnally, wouldn't.
I hope this message helps the debate in some ways. I will follow this thread, of course... as I do most of the time on openSUSE MLs.
Best wishes,
Alexis "Agemen".
[1] The former server were Alionet lived was not dedicated, and we then did not have the choice of the charset for the db. That's a shame... and fixing that takes some time. -- OrbisGIS supporter. I just want to say : thanks for this explanation. I think for the global comprehension this message can help everyone.
Florian Thanks Florian for having forwarded this. I've always had problem with the GMail interface, never hitting the "Reply to all" button... :-(
Regards, Alexis. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-fr+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-fr+owner@opensuse.org
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