-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 El Saturday 25 October 2003 12:13, Yanko Hernandez Alvarez escribió:
interesante a raiz de las discusiones/preguntas sobre debian
http://arstechnica.com/archive/news/1067056799.html
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Progeny Brings Red Hat and Debian Closer Together Posted 10/24/2003 @ 11:39 PM, by Matt Woodward
On Friday afternoon, Ian Murdock, the founder of the Debian GNU/Linux project and co-founder of Progeny, announced a status update of his company's Debian work. Murdock made two very important announcements: the porting of Red Hat's Anaconda installer tool to Debian, and a modification of Debian's APT package tool which will allow it to use both RedHat and Debian packages. The first announcement is most relevant to Debian users, who have long complained about Debian's "archaic" installer. Several "easy to install" Debian variants have been created over the years; none of them has been commercially successful. Progeny Linux was one of these variants. Despite its excellent installer, Progeny's distribution suffered the same fate as many of the other commercial Debian projects. The company itself lived on, without much visibility, until today's announcement: We have ported Red Hat's Anaconda installer to Debian; essentially, we replaced calls to RPM with calls to APT, and replaced Red Hat-specific configuration hooks with calls into the configlets and debconf. We have also written a tool called PickAx that facilitates the creation of Anaconda-based Debian installation CD sets. We are also working with various parties to add/merge RPM support into the mainline APT, to allow Debian- and RPM-based distributions to be managed using a single APT codebase, and possibly even to allow Debian and RPM packages to coexist side by side. Murdock goes on to state the ultimate goal of the project: It is our hope that a distribution-independent Anaconda and a distribution-independent APT (plus, eventually, a distribution-independent configuration framework) will, along with a stronger LSB [Linux Standards Base], help unify further the various Linux distributions. Because Red Hat has recently opened its distribution to the community, cooperation between Red Hat and Debian is more likely than ever. A distribution-neutral APT and configuration framework would do much to further such cooperation. Would a merger of the two projects even be possible? Debian has a very loyal following, due to its massive software catalogue (over 13,000 packages) and dedication to Free software. Red Hat, with its strong corporate partners and all-star kernel development team, brings legitimacy to the corporate market. While each distribution has a distinct and dedicated following, many would agree that further cooperation could only benefit everyone involved. Even if the two distributions do not merge, any standard which Progeny develops would certainly benefit the community. Could this possibly be the beginnings of a practical common packaging standard, outside of what is defined in the Linux Standards Base? Red Hat and Debian certainly have enough combined developer mindshare to make such a decision practical.
Could such common ground between the commercial and non-commercial leaders of Linux help consolidate the market? This would allow independent software vendors to target a much greater audience; currently, practical matters force them to target only one or two distributions. Regardless of the specifics, this announcement could have long standing effects on the Linux landscape. Progeny may have provided the catalyst needed to create a distribution of unprecedented quality; it is now up to open source software developers to follow through.
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¿Que tiene que ver esto con SuSE? Daniel Olivera wrote:
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El Saturday 25 October 2003 12:13, Yanko Hernandez Alvarez escribió:
interesante a raiz de las discusiones/preguntas sobre debian
http://arstechnica.com/archive/news/1067056799.html
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Progeny Brings Red Hat and Debian Closer Together Posted 10/24/2003 @ 11:39 PM, by Matt Woodward
On Friday afternoon, Ian Murdock, the founder of the Debian GNU/Linux project and co-founder of Progeny, announced a status update of his company's Debian work. Murdock made two very important announcements: the porting of Red Hat's Anaconda installer tool to Debian, and a modification of Debian's APT package tool which will allow it to use both RedHat and Debian packages. The first announcement is most relevant to Debian users, who have long complained about Debian's "archaic" installer. Several "easy to install" Debian variants have been created over the years; none of them has been commercially successful. Progeny Linux was one of these variants. Despite its excellent installer, Progeny's distribution suffered the same fate as many of the other commercial Debian projects. The company itself lived on, without much visibility, until today's announcement: We have ported Red Hat's Anaconda installer to Debian; essentially, we replaced calls to RPM with calls to APT, and replaced Red Hat-specific configuration hooks with calls into the configlets and debconf. We have also written a tool called PickAx that facilitates the creation of Anaconda-based Debian installation CD sets. We are also working with various parties to add/merge RPM support into the mainline APT, to allow Debian- and RPM-based distributions to be managed using a single APT codebase, and possibly even to allow Debian and RPM packages to coexist side by side. Murdock goes on to state the ultimate goal of the project: It is our hope that a distribution-independent Anaconda and a distribution-independent APT (plus, eventually, a distribution-independent configuration framework) will, along with a stronger LSB [Linux Standards Base], help unify further the various Linux distributions. Because Red Hat has recently opened its distribution to the community, cooperation between Red Hat and Debian is more likely than ever. A distribution-neutral APT and configuration framework would do much to further such cooperation. Would a merger of the two projects even be possible? Debian has a very loyal following, due to its massive software catalogue (over 13,000 packages) and dedication to Free software. Red Hat, with its strong corporate partners and all-star kernel development team, brings legitimacy to the corporate market. While each distribution has a distinct and dedicated following, many would agree that further cooperation could only benefit everyone involved. Even if the two distributions do not merge, any standard which Progeny develops would certainly benefit the community. Could this possibly be the beginnings of a practical common packaging standard, outside of what is defined in the Linux Standards Base? Red Hat and Debian certainly have enough combined developer mindshare to make such a decision practical.
Could such common ground between the commercial and non-commercial leaders of Linux help consolidate the market? This would allow independent software vendors to target a much greater audience; currently, practical matters force them to target only one or two distributions. Regardless of the specifics, this announcement could have long standing effects on the Linux landscape. Progeny may have provided the catalyst needed to create a distribution of unprecedented quality; it is now up to open source software developers to follow through.
- ------| http://EuropeSwPatentFree.hispalinux.es |------- - -- Daniel Olivera (Mate.Cosido) -- Linux #267582 - AR #1832 Sitio: http://www.netsys.com.ar ------------ PGP: /key ICQ: 8368437 ------- MSN/AIM/Yahoo/Jabber: doliveralinux H323:h323.netsys.com.ar-Tel:4207-1701/7688-Cel:5637-5979 - -- Estudien mucho para poder dominar la tecnica que permite dominar la naturaleza. CHE - -- Aunque la verdad es grande, sobran cadenas y esclavos. ... AL asesinato el masa los hombres lo llaman guerra. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux)
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Quoting Juan Erbes
¿Que tiene que ver esto con SuSE?
Supongo que tiene que ver con que SuSE tiene que competir con otras empresas (RH y Debian) por un mercado de consumidores. Tiene que ver con notar que la competencia, que tiene más fácilidades para proyectarse en busca de consolidar el mercado (brindan las tan discutidas y polémicas imágenes ISO y tiene más 'mirrors'). Mientras tanto SuSE como lo hizo notar Marcel (creo que fue él) es relativamente una distribución 'desconocida' en Latinoamérica, pero su desconocimiento (y poca proyección) ya he visto que no solo es en LA. Tiene que ver con notar que otras distros están colaborando para mejorar opciones para el usuario y borrar las barreras que existen entre todas las distros. Tiene que ver con el recordatorio que aunque RH domina el mercado, continúa haciendo esfuerzos para consolidar aún más su posición. Tiene que ver con el hecho de que nos cuestionemos que pasaría si en un futuro la porción del mercado de las otras distros crece y SuSE sigue siendo una distro 'pequeña' y poco difundida? :( No se tomen estos comentarios como una crítica negativa a SUSE, en todo caso sería como una llamada de atención para que sigan innovando y traten de hacer crecer su presencia en el mercado mundial. Finalmente, es cierto que el comentario original no tiene que ver directamente con SuSE, pero si puede ayudar a que tratemos de pensar un poco sobre nuestro querido SuSE y los retos del futuro. En todo caso el correo original sería un OT. :P Saludos! -- Sergio Espinoza Dien linux-at-sergioespinoza-dot-com http://www.sergioespinoza.com/ http://www.xtremecode.net/ Linux User #328168 *Delivered by Horde
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 El Sábado, 25 de Octubre de 2003 18:59, Daniel Olivera escribió: * Como las lenguas de origen inglés, no las domino, si no es en presencia de asistencia letrada, para mí, la parte relevante es esta...
-- Estudien mucho para poder dominar la tecnica que permite dominar la naturaleza. CHE --
* LLevo intentándolo tiempo pero no lo consigo, ahora estoy intentandolo con la vecina del 3º , de la que las del 8º Dcha. dijeron, otra que sale rana, cuando en Crónicas Marcianas, la vieron haciendo streaptease.
Aunque la verdad es grande, sobran cadenas y esclavos. ... AL asesinato el masa los hombres lo llaman guerra. --
* Algunos incluso negocio, dado que no es lo mismo, la ósmosis de práxis que la entelequia reciclada del guarismo inapetente, esto deja a SuSE en una posición comprometida, ya que Debian (unstable, por supuesto), ha amenazado con incluir un instalador gráfico para la próxima congelación de Sarge [1] , no contentos con esto, se ha declarado en rueda de prensa, que por la cuenca del Rhur, bajan dos tablas tarabincuntinculadas y que el tarabincuntinculador que las desentarabincuntinculáre buen desentarabincuntinculador será. * [1] Es absolutamente falso, que el software de la estable de Debian lleve congelado 5 años, y a mayor abundamiento declaro, que esa moralina a modo de cachondeo, que circula por la Red y que dice: "La estable de Debian se mueve menos que Don Pin-Pon en una cama de velcro", es producto de personas NO portadoras de valores eternos y lenguas viperinas, a los cuales se fustigará, con el látigo de la indiferencia. * Sedatio et Tranqilitas. - -- EuropeSwPatentFree http://EuropeSwPatentFree.hispalinux.es -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/mv0vAXFL65CppEIRAgP/AKCG3ovWDawKWbhsxQP3GWem289nSQCfWX3k F6PEW7DNFa+uBHv6yk6x+cc= =rNF+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
El dom, 26-10-2003 a las 00:45, jose maria escribió: ¡Jo, otro más como éste, amigo José María, y te tendré que echar la culpa de que me ingresen en Urgencias, con fuertes dolores de estómago y agujetas en la cara! ¡Qué panzón de reír! Un abrazo, Alejandro.
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El Sábado, 25 de Octubre de 2003 18:59, Daniel Olivera escribió:
* Como las lenguas de origen inglés, no las domino, si no es en presencia de asistencia letrada, para mí, la parte relevante es esta...
-- Estudien mucho para poder dominar la tecnica que permite dominar la naturaleza. CHE --
* LLevo intentándolo tiempo pero no lo consigo, ahora estoy intentandolo con la vecina del 3º , de la que las del 8º Dcha. dijeron, otra que sale rana, cuando en Crónicas Marcianas, la vieron haciendo streaptease.
Aunque la verdad es grande, sobran cadenas y esclavos. ... AL asesinato el masa los hombres lo llaman guerra. --
* Algunos incluso negocio, dado que no es lo mismo, la ósmosis de práxis que la entelequia reciclada del guarismo inapetente, esto deja a SuSE en una posición comprometida, ya que Debian (unstable, por supuesto), ha amenazado con incluir un instalador gráfico para la próxima congelación de Sarge [1] , no contentos con esto, se ha declarado en rueda de prensa, que por la cuenca del Rhur, bajan dos tablas tarabincuntinculadas y que el tarabincuntinculador que las desentarabincuntinculáre buen desentarabincuntinculador será.
* [1] Es absolutamente falso, que el software de la estable de Debian lleve congelado 5 años, y a mayor abundamiento declaro, que esa moralina a modo de cachondeo, que circula por la Red y que dice: "La estable de Debian se mueve menos que Don Pin-Pon en una cama de velcro", es producto de personas NO portadoras de valores eternos y lenguas viperinas, a los cuales se fustigará, con el látigo de la indiferencia.
* Sedatio et Tranqilitas. - -- EuropeSwPatentFree http://EuropeSwPatentFree.hispalinux.es -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux)
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participants (5)
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Alejandro Ortega Paez -
Daniel Olivera -
jose maria -
Juan Erbes -
Sergio Espinoza Dien