-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-10-12 17:28, Richard Brown wrote:
On 12 October 2015 at 15:13, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
It is "them" who is discouraging "us", by imposing things on us without even talking to "us".
You are not helping :-(
Did you seriously just reply to my call to stop thinking in terms of 'them' vs 'us' with "It's not 'us', it's 'them'!"
You have a you vs us the instant that a group (with suse addresses) implement huge changes to things without talking with the rest, that happen to have outside addresses.
Come on Carlos, don't be silly.
Take a step back and realise that this situation is an opportunity to address issues that are in need of addressing
Just 12 days ago you posted a dramatic mail to the -factory mailinglist making it clear that Leap was not translated, Tumbleweed has barely any
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-09/msg00777.html
When I contacted you privately to suggest that you could help organise a solution to that problem you placed the finger of blame firmly at a 'structural and manpower problem' that was 'further up from us'
Now, by co-incidence and luck, you have a possible solution placed in front of you, from that very 'further up' that you blame While not perfect, Weblate seeks to address both the structural and manpower problems that we're facing..and you object rather than embrace the opportunity?
No, it can not address our problems when it was implemented even without telling us! And don't tell me it was just a test, not ready for deployment, because we found it just by chance, because it was being deployed, with real files, instead of setting up a mockup in which to test it without threading on anyone toes, and when ready, asking people to try it out and comment.
You can't have things both ways. Either the translation teams old methods are fine and perfect, in which case you were talking nonsense two weeks ago, or the situation is as dire as you made out, in which case I think you should be grateful of all the help you can get from wherever it is coming from and dive in with both feet first into any possible solution.
Sure, it requires a change of methods and mindset - but that should be expected, the old methods and mindset weren't working..that much you made clear 12 days ago..
They were not working because the developers were not doing their part. So, they are not happy and they change it, good, but destroying our side of the system, the side that was working correctly, bad. The post from Karl on the project mail list explains it much better that I can do. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYcPHoACgkQja8UbcUWM1z/FQD+K7IJeHhQpIlTWqimnzgicHro 6ibp579YcSzwrnmThDoA/3rHEO1sR9/DcO8A5tpYmZh6xsi2DCjLiXM8qbo4LO50 =rg2e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org