On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 09:52:35 -0600, Larry Finger wrote:

On 02/11/2011 11:07 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

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I just had to rebuild my main workstation with 11.3 this afternoon, so this is a good time to try a test. Is the x86_64 .ISO small enough for me to burn on a DVD now, or do I need to install from a "NET" CD?

11.4 RC1 is working for me.

The "too big" DVD ISO was a one-time foulup in the OBS stuff. It was fixed very quickly; however, the damage trail lingers forever. Yes, you should be able to burn an x86_64 DVD. The "should" part comes from the fact that I never burn a DVD until the GM is released, and nearly always install from the NET CDs.

Larry

I got the install done and everything seems to be working except acting as a host for VMware Workstation - for some reason it couldn't build kernel modules. My recollection is that VMware tends to lag Linux kernels in the distros but I haven't seen a beta for VMware Workstation I could try. -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." -- Paul Erdős -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:59:47 -0600, Larry Finger wrote:

On 02/12/2011 12:42 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

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I got the install done and everything seems to be working except acting as a host for VMware Workstation - for some reason it couldn't build kernel modules. My recollection is that VMware tends to lag Linux kernels in the distros but I haven't seen a beta for VMware Workstation I could try.

In the Forum for beta testing, there is a link to the necessary patches to get VMWare running on 2.6.37. It was posted today.

I don't know why they are so slow - we have the necessary patches for VirtualBox to use 2.6.38.

Larry

Thanks! I checked Bugzilla, didn't find anything and filed a bug. Maybe that's why the patches weren't posted till today. I'll go hunt them down and see what happens. -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." -- Paul Erdős -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help@opensuse.org

Am 12.02.2011 19:42, schrieb M. Edward (Ed) Borasky:

I got the install done and everything seems to be working except acting as a host for VMware Workstation - for some reason it couldn't build kernel modules. My recollection is that VMware tends to lag Linux kernels in the distros but I haven't seen a beta for VMware Workstation I could try.

I tested 11.4 RC1 with VirtualBox and the installation failed. As the installer wanted to start, VB crashs and I have to close it. But with VMWare, the system runs great! cheers kdl -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador powered by openSUSE 11.4 RC1 | KDE 4.6 | Kernel-desktop 2.6.37-20.1 | using Tumbleweed This mail was composed under Linux Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help@opensuse.org

On 02/12/2011 01:20 PM, Atri wrote:

On Sat, 2011-02-12 at 20:00 +0100, Kim Leyendecker wrote:

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I tested 11.4 RC1 with VirtualBox and the installation failed. As the installer wanted to start, VB crashs and I have to close it. But with VMWare, the system runs great!

Could it be https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=667695 ?

I face the same problem too with VB, seems to me the problem sneaked in somewhere between M5& M6.

I'm running VB on 11.4 RC1. The VirtualBox binary is from the OSE version installed with YaST and the kernel module for 2.6.38 is compiled from the source downloaded with the 11.3 RPM from Oracle's site. Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 19:52:13 -0600, Chris Cox wrote:

On 02/12/2011 12:42 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 09:52:35 -0600, Larry Finger wrote:

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On 02/11/2011 11:07 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

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I just had to rebuild my main workstation with 11.3 this afternoon, so this is a good time to try a test. Is the x86_64 .ISO small enough for me to burn on a DVD now, or do I need to install from a "NET" CD?

11.4 RC1 is working for me.

The "too big" DVD ISO was a one-time foulup in the OBS stuff. It was fixed very quickly; however, the damage trail lingers forever. Yes, you should be able to burn an x86_64 DVD. The "should" part comes from the fact that I never burn a DVD until the GM is released, and nearly always install from the NET CDs.

Larry

I got the install done and everything seems to be working except acting as a host for VMware Workstation - for some reason it couldn't build kernel modules. My recollection is that VMware tends to lag Linux kernels in the distros but I haven't seen a beta for VMware Workstation I could try.

IMHO, VMware is LOST. With every new release they become more and more and more hardware specific. And we all know about the problems with VMware tools... but the good new there is that there IS Open VMware tools... so don't try to compile the supplied tools... use Open VMware Tools instead.

So, for people in love with VMware, use the open tools.

(or is it the open tools that you couldn't compile??)

Nope - as far as I can tell the open guest tools are fine, although I usually recompile them anyway just to be safe. This was the host end. I have since found a workaround by searching the openSUSE forum and the VMware Community forum. For about a year, I was using VirtualBox and let my VMware Workstation license stay at 6.5. But towards the end of last year, VMware had a 25% off promotion for the upgrade to 7.1, and I was a little hacked off at Oracle for turning their corporate attorneys and beancounters loose on open source in general and in the specific areas of the open source projects they acquired from Sun - MySQL, Java, VirtualBox and NetBeans. So I upgraded, and in the process now have something VirtualBox at 4.0.2 *still* doesn't do - capture snapshots and movies of guest machines, which is something I sorely need. I *haven't* done any head-to-head efficiency testing of the two as hosts, though. I'm guessing if you really care about *that*, the horse race is KVM vs. Xen vs. ESX vs. Microsoft's gizmo, not VMware Workstation vs. VirtualBox. ;-) -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." -- Paul Erdős -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 23:17:27 -0600, Chris Cox wrote:

Hmmm... why not use a desktop or window capture tool? I use the *recordMyDesktop programs... seem to work fine. Just an option. Of course, I'm using Linux as my host... but the Windows fanboys seem to say that their desktop capture tools are "superior" (?)... you'd think that might work for you as well even if you have a Windows host OS.

I use *recordMyDesktop to record at 1920x1200 all of the time... and it captures at a high enough rate.

Yeah, I have used both xvidcap and recordmydesktop before. There were some other things I didn't like about VirtualBox, like the PUEL if I wanted to connect USB devices. I was running the PUEL version of VirtualBox anyhow - "free for personal use as in beer but not open source" and I didn't see the point in not upgrading the VMware license.

With regards to VirtualBox... you never know. Oracle does indeed seem to be a "killer" of FOSS (which isn't really possible with the GPL btw). So the FOSS version of VBox is always an option... even if Oracle gets ugly (uglier). If on the cheap, I'd try FOSS VBox Windows guests with a Linux based window capture tool. See if that works ok for you (of course, you've already bought VMware... so maybe that comment is for somebody else).

Well, there's also the OpenOffice.org -> LibreOffice "transition" and the NetBeans dropping of Ruby support. The big issue I had with VirtualBox was needing to do OVF conversions so VMware Player could play the machines. Most of my users don't want to mess with either VMware Workstation or VirtualBox - they want to just play appliances. I was making OVFs in SUSE Studio but that was adding friction and slowing the users down. So I've gone back to making VMDK / VMX appliances, and those play out of the box in VMware Player. I am slowly limiting the amount of non-free licensed software I buy. I'm basically down to VMware Workstation and the ActiveState Perl Development Studio. I'm still running Windows Vista and Office 2007 (in a virtual machine!) and don't plan to update either. -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." -- Paul Erdős -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help@opensuse.org