[opensuse-support] LEAP 15.1 installation & config
Hi again, all -- I've played with a few installs of 15.1 and am a bit confused. I'm using the network installer and in both cases have added Main Repository Non-OSS Repository Main Repository Update Non-OSS Repository Update and otherwise just enjoyed the defaults. My first pass was Desktop with KDE and my second was Server but both seem lacking. I was surprised that the installer didn't ask me in any case to set the host name; I ended up with linux-xxxx for some semi-random string of 4 chars, so I had to manually set the name. The real surprise, though, was that ifconfig netstat and who knows what else weren't installed! Um, what did I miss? A GUI installer like this should be simple enough even for a dummy like me to manage to get a good system build :-) I'm going to want a KDE-based desktop with the typical userspace browser and other such, and I'll need NFS client & server services as well as of course sshd. It's eventually going to get a fixed IP but I don't care too much right now either way. I don't expect to run a web server, but the usual SA's bag of scripting languages will be useful. Are there patterns to select to make sure I have all of that, or do I have to drag my way through a zillion packages in YaST to find what I want? Thanks again & HAND :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019-10-30 5:47 a.m., David T-G wrote:
name. The real surprise, though, was that
ifconfig netstat
I believe we are supposed to stop using these, and use ip instead. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 30/10/2019 12.47, David T-G wrote:
Hi again, all --
I've played with a few installs of 15.1 and am a bit confused. I'm using the network installer and in both cases have added
Main Repository Non-OSS Repository Main Repository Update Non-OSS Repository Update
and otherwise just enjoyed the defaults.
Those four repos above are the default, you don't need to add them manually.
My first pass was
Desktop with KDE
and my second was
Server
but both seem lacking. I was surprised that the installer didn't ask me in any case to set the host name; I ended up with
linux-xxxx
for some semi-random string of 4 chars, so I had to manually set the name.
Possible, I don't remember. <https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/startup/html/book.opensuse. startup/art-opensuse-installquick.html> Section: 1.1.2.3 Network Settings Says how you can setup Network during the initial installation. The name is one of the possibilities you can do there. But the network installer media might be a bit different, because it has to setup the network much earlier than that step.
The real surprise, though, was that
ifconfig netstat
and who knows what else weren't installed! Um, what did I miss?
Both are intentionally removed, they are deprecated. Use different commands. You can install them by manually installing this package: net-tools-deprecated-2.0 The name makes clear that you shouldn't.
A GUI installer like this should be simple enough even for a dummy like me to manage to get a good system build :-)
It is a good system build.
I'm going to want a KDE-based desktop with the typical userspace browser and other such, and I'll need NFS client & server services as well as of course sshd. It's eventually going to get a fixed IP but I don't care too much right now either way. I don't expect to run a web server, but the usual SA's bag of scripting languages will be useful. Are there patterns to select to make sure I have all of that, or do I have to drag my way through a zillion packages in YaST to find what I want?
I don't remember if there are patterns for that or you have to search for those packages manually, specially as the group tags has been remove d. If you try to setup nfs in yast, for example, it will drag in the other required packages. Maybe the network server pattern. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXbncWwAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1TYJAJ494Oqj+MTGvhqy27BNT9RJUXN13wCfRF6evIBoMdOgMiDfM0UJnkdyYN8= =47ll -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
I have a few comments to the response from Carlos 1. The network setup dialog mentioned only shows up if the network cannot be configure via DHCP. Typically, that happens, so no network settings until the summary screen - if I recall the process correctly. 2. If you set hostname or any other network settings on the Boot options line - those settings will end up in /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-* This might cause later headaches when using network manager, VPN, etc. - Tomas On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 14:54 Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
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On 30/10/2019 12.47, David T-G wrote:
Hi again, all --
I've played with a few installs of 15.1 and am a bit confused. I'm using the network installer and in both cases have added
Main Repository Non-OSS Repository Main Repository Update Non-OSS Repository Update
and otherwise just enjoyed the defaults.
Those four repos above are the default, you don't need to add them manually.
My first pass was
Desktop with KDE
and my second was
Server
but both seem lacking. I was surprised that the installer didn't ask me in any case to set the host name; I ended up with
linux-xxxx
for some semi-random string of 4 chars, so I had to manually set the name.
Possible, I don't remember.
<https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/startup/html/book.opensuse. startup/art-opensuse-installquick.html <https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/startup/html/book.opensuse.startup/art-opensuse-installquick.html>
Section: 1.1.2.3 Network Settings
Says how you can setup Network during the initial installation. The name is one of the possibilities you can do there.
But the network installer media might be a bit different, because it has to setup the network much earlier than that step.
The real surprise, though, was that
ifconfig netstat
and who knows what else weren't installed! Um, what did I miss?
Both are intentionally removed, they are deprecated. Use different commands. You can install them by manually installing this package:
net-tools-deprecated-2.0
The name makes clear that you shouldn't.
A GUI installer like this should be simple enough even for a dummy like me to manage to get a good system build :-)
It is a good system build.
I'm going to want a KDE-based desktop with the typical userspace browser and other such, and I'll need NFS client & server services as well as of course sshd. It's eventually going to get a fixed IP but I don't care too much right now either way. I don't expect to run a web server, but the usual SA's bag of scripting languages will be useful. Are there patterns to select to make sure I have all of that, or do I have to drag my way through a zillion packages in YaST to find what I want?
I don't remember if there are patterns for that or you have to search for those packages manually, specially as the group tags has been remove d.
If you try to setup nfs in yast, for example, it will drag in the other required packages. Maybe the network server pattern.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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On 30/10/2019 22.13, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
I have a few comments to the response from Carlos
1. The network setup dialog mentioned only shows up if the network cannot be configure via DHCP. Typically, that happens, so no network settings until the summary screen - if I recall the process correctly.
Aha. Yes, I thought so. Then, if you change the name in that dialog, are they passed to the installed system? I suppose they are, just not to the running "live" system.
2. If you set hostname or any other network settings on the Boot options line - those settings will end up in /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-* This might cause later headaches when using network manager, VPN, etc.
Good to know. :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Thu, 2019-10-31 at 13:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 30/10/2019 22.13, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
I have a few comments to the response from Carlos
1. The network setup dialog mentioned only shows up if the network cannot be configure via DHCP. Typically, that happens, so no network settings until the summary screen - if I recall the process correctly.
Aha. Yes, I thought so.
Then, if you change the name in that dialog, are they passed to the installed system? I suppose they are, just not to the running "live" system.
Yes, if you change the computer name in the classic network config dialog which can be opened in the pre-install summary - then everything works as in the previous openSuSE releases (not sure about TW). The install summary page is where you can enable disable firewall/openSsh/changeSW/runlevel/etc. The next install step is the actual install, I think.
2. If you set hostname or any other network settings on the Boot options line - those settings will end up in /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-* This might cause later headaches when using network manager, VPN, etc.
Good to know. :-)
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Good morning, all! ...and then tomas.kuchta.lists@gmail.com said... % ... % The install summary page is where you can enable disable % firewall/openSsh/changeSW/runlevel/etc. The next install step is the actual % install, I think. I played with a few installations before finally committing. I of course had to go and add various patterns and packages (yes, including those deprecated tools :-) to get the system I want, but that part all went well. I also got sshd up and happy even though I don't really know my firewall yet. I *thought* I had DHCP beaten by, before actually installing, going into Network and setting the host name and IP address. The first time I did that she stopped hard, so the next time I also included routing & nameserver info, and she continued, so I figured I was in good shape; yay. But ... she grabbed an address from the DHCP server instead of using the one I specified! Arrrrgh. Now that I'm installed and don't particularly want to start over, what's the best way to switch to a static IP address (since I don't have a DHCP server I can configure to hand out specifics that way)? And, for future reference, what should one do at the summary stage to actually ensure a static IP? TIA again :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
* David T-G <davidtg-robot@justpickone.org> [12-01-19 08:33]:
Good morning, all!
...and then tomas.kuchta.lists@gmail.com said... % ... % The install summary page is where you can enable disable % firewall/openSsh/changeSW/runlevel/etc. The next install step is the actual % install, I think.
I played with a few installations before finally committing. I of course had to go and add various patterns and packages (yes, including those deprecated tools :-) to get the system I want, but that part all went well. I also got sshd up and happy even though I don't really know my firewall yet.
I *thought* I had DHCP beaten by, before actually installing, going into Network and setting the host name and IP address. The first time I did that she stopped hard, so the next time I also included routing & nameserver info, and she continued, so I figured I was in good shape; yay. But ... she grabbed an address from the DHCP server instead of using the one I specified! Arrrrgh.
Now that I'm installed and don't particularly want to start over, what's the best way to switch to a static IP address (since I don't have a DHCP server I can configure to hand out specifics that way)? And, for future reference, what should one do at the summary stage to actually ensure a static IP?
if using utilizing wicked, yast network -> Overview -> select device -> edit _. statically specify IP address 192.168.1.10 specify Subnet mask /24 hostname ok next Hostname/DNS specify name servers and search ok next Routing specify gateway (in my case 192.168.1.254) if using NetworkManager (not if front of me) edit and select manual and specify local IP addr netmask and gateway name servers and search fwiw, on Tumbleweed and have been using both above for some years. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
* Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> [12-01-19 08:52]:
* David T-G <davidtg-robot@justpickone.org> [12-01-19 08:33]:
Good morning, all!
...and then tomas.kuchta.lists@gmail.com said... % ... % The install summary page is where you can enable disable % firewall/openSsh/changeSW/runlevel/etc. The next install step is the actual % install, I think.
I played with a few installations before finally committing. I of course had to go and add various patterns and packages (yes, including those deprecated tools :-) to get the system I want, but that part all went well. I also got sshd up and happy even though I don't really know my firewall yet.
I *thought* I had DHCP beaten by, before actually installing, going into Network and setting the host name and IP address. The first time I did that she stopped hard, so the next time I also included routing & nameserver info, and she continued, so I figured I was in good shape; yay. But ... she grabbed an address from the DHCP server instead of using the one I specified! Arrrrgh.
Now that I'm installed and don't particularly want to start over, what's the best way to switch to a static IP address (since I don't have a DHCP server I can configure to hand out specifics that way)? And, for future reference, what should one do at the summary stage to actually ensure a static IP?
if using utilizing wicked, yast network -> Overview -> select device -> edit _. statically specify IP address 192.168.1.10 specify Subnet mask /24 hostname ok next Hostname/DNS specify name servers and search ok next Routing specify gateway (in my case 192.168.1.254)
if using NetworkManager (not if front of me) edit and select manual and specify local IP addr netmask and gateway name servers and search
fwiw, on Tumbleweed and have been using both above for some years.
and, I cannot advise as to "summary stage" on install as I cannot remember and do utilize yast after the install as indicated. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/12/2019 14.33, David T-G wrote:
Good morning, all!
...and then tomas.kuchta.lists@gmail.com said... % ... % The install summary page is where you can enable disable % firewall/openSsh/changeSW/runlevel/etc. The next install step is the actual % install, I think.
I played with a few installations before finally committing. I of course had to go and add various patterns and packages (yes, including those deprecated tools :-) to get the system I want, but that part all went well. I also got sshd up and happy even though I don't really know my firewall yet.
I *thought* I had DHCP beaten by, before actually installing, going into Network and setting the host name and IP address. The first time I did that she stopped hard, so the next time I also included routing & nameserver info, and she continued, so I figured I was in good shape; yay. But ... she grabbed an address from the DHCP server instead of using the one I specified! Arrrrgh.
Now that I'm installed and don't particularly want to start over, what's the best way to switch to a static IP address (since I don't have a DHCP server I can configure to hand out specifics that way)?
Depends if you are using Network manager or wicked (YaST). In the later case, just start YaST, unclick "auto", or click "fixed" (I don't remember the exact wording, going by memory), then enter the gateway address, dns, name, IP, etc. <https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/reference/html/book.opensuse.reference/cha-network.html> If you use Network manager, it is just modifying the existing connection or creating a new one and deactivate or delete the other one. I can not explain the details, I just follow my nose.
And, for future reference, what should one do at the summary stage to actually ensure a static IP?
I need see the summary screen to remember :-} Here: <https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/startup/html/book.opensuse.startup/cha-install.html#sec-yast-install-proposal> Section "3.11.4 Network Configuration" a bit below mentions how to do it. If you want to change it, it points to Section 3.4 which is "after the installation". To do it during the installation, it refers to " Registration or Add-On Product dialog" - I do not see a doc page on those (found it, see later). +++.............. 3.11.4 Network Configuration This category displays the current network settings (as automatically configured after booting into the installation, see Section 3.4) or as manually configured from the Registration or Add-On Product dialog during the respective steps of the installation process. If you want to check or adjust the network settings at this stage (before performing the installation), click Network Configuration. This takes you to the YaST Network Settings module. For details, see Book “Reference”, Chapter 13 “Basic Networking”, Section 13.4 “Configuring a Network Connection with YaST”. ..............++- <https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/startup/html/book.opensuse.startup/cha-install.html#sec-yast-install-network> +++.............. 3.4 Network Settings After booting into the installation, the installation routine is set up. During this setup, an attempt to configure at least one network interface with DHCP is made. In case this attempt has failed, the Network Settings dialog launches now. ..............++- This chapter: <https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/reference/html/book.opensuse.reference/cha-network.html> is a fully detailed network configuration page. For configuration of the network during installation: <https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/startup/html/book.opensuse.startup/cha-boot-parameters.html> It is not trivial. But you see, everything you ask is in the documentation ;-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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