30 Oct
2020
30 Oct
'20
23:31
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see what it offered.
It got very little use,
but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came
up, but it was unhappy--
things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with mouse
cursor in center.
Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever
it's called) brought
back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue, but
it asks for login: and password:
tried my username and my password from when the system worked, but it
doesn't want that.
If someone knows what it wants, I'll go on from there. otherwise, maybe
just put the Windows
drive back and forget it.
--doug
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31 Oct
31 Oct
00:05
On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 19:31:27 -0400
Doug McGarrett <dmcgarrett(a)optonline.net> wrote:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see
what it
offered. It got very little use,
but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It
came up, but it was unhappy--
things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with
mouse cursor in center.
Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever
it's called) brought
back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue,
but it asks for login: and password:
tried my username and my password from when the system worked, but it
doesn't want that.
If someone knows what it wants, I'll go on from there. otherwise,
maybe just put the Windows
drive back and forget it.
--doug
Please put the Windows drive back and then we can all go back to sleep!
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00:37
On 31/10/2020 00.31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see
what it offered.
It got very little use,
but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came
up, but it was unhappy--
things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with mouse
cursor in center.
Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever
it's called) brought
back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue, but
it asks for login: and password:
Rescue from install disk should be "root". But you will not be able to
do anything with it.
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(from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
01:09
On 10/30/20 8:37 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 31/10/2020 00.31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
You're right. I don't want to make a project out of this. What should
rescue do--doug
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On a different computer, I installed leap, just
to see what it
offered. It got very little use,
but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It
came up, but it was unhappy--
things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with
mouse cursor in center.
Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever
it's called) brought
back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue,
but it asks for login: and password:
Rescue from install disk should be "root". But you will not be able to
do anything with it.
02:21
On 31/10/2020 02.09, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 10/30/20 8:37 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Rescue in in the installation DVD is just a tiny tiny Linux system. To
do something with it you need to know what is wrong, how to diagnose
things, and how to repair them. There is nothing automatic on it, there
is no help at all. Not even manuals.
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Carlos E. R.
(from openSUSE 15.1 (Legolas))
On 31/10/2020 00.31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
You're right. I don't want to make a project out of this. What should
rescue do--doug On a different computer, I installed leap, just
to see what it
offered. It got very little use,
but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It
came up, but it was unhappy--
things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with
mouse cursor in center.
Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever
it's called) brought
back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue,
but it asks for login: and password:
Rescue from install disk should be "root". But you will not be able to
do anything with it.
19:49
New subject: [opensuse-support] Re: leap didn't make it
On 2020-10-30 21:21:00 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 31/10/2020 02.09, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Yes, it always seemed to me that the rescue system disk is more of a cruel
joke than a helpful tool.
Leslie
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On 10/30/20 8:37 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Rescue in in the installation DVD is just a tiny tiny Linux system. To
do something with it you need to know what is wrong, how to diagnose
things, and how to repair them. There is nothing automatic on it, there
is no help at all. Not even manuals. On 31/10/2020 00.31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
You're right. I don't want to make a project out of this. What should
rescue do--doug On a different computer, I installed leap, just
to see what it
offered. It got very little use,
but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It
came up, but it was unhappy--
things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with
mouse cursor in center.
Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever
it's called) brought
back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue,
but it asks for login: and password:
Rescue from install disk should be "root". But you will not be able to
do anything with it.
20:00
New subject: [opensuse-support] Re: leap didn't make it
On 31/10/2020 20.49, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-10-30 21:21:00 Carlos E. R. wrote:
There is a dedicated ISO image to install on USB stick, that becomes
writable after booting it (you can even install new packages to it) that
is called the "rescue" stick. This is a full XFCE desktop, and I have
used it successfully more than once to solve problems.
<http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/15.2/live/openSUSE-Leap-15.2-Rescue-CD-x86_64-Media.iso>
Still, the administrator has to diagnose the problem and solve it
himself, there is no automatics.
Long ago there was an automated "rescue" system in the DVD, that managed
to solve some problems but failed too much, was difficult to maintain,
and was finally removed from the distribution.
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(from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 31/10/2020 02.09, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Yes, it always seemed to me that the rescue system disk is more of a cruel
joke than a helpful tool. On 10/30/20 8:37 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Rescue in in the installation DVD is just a tiny tiny Linux system. To
do something with it you need to know what is wrong, how to diagnose
things, and how to repair them. There is nothing automatic on it, there
is no help at all. Not even manuals. On 31/10/2020 00.31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see what it
> offered. It got very little use,
> but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It
> came up, but it was unhappy--
> things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with
> mouse cursor in center.
> Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever
> it's called) brought
> back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue,
> but it asks for login: and password:
Rescue from install disk should be "root". But you will not be able to
do anything with it.
You're right. I don't want to make a project out of this. What should
rescue do--doug 
20:04
New subject: [opensuse-support] Re: leap didn't make it
On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 14:49:03 -0500
J Leslie Turriff <jlturriff(a)mail.com> wrote:
Just in passing I'm amazed with what ease
the SuperGrub CD manages to boot systems
which with every advantage cannot even boot
themselves :)
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On 2020-10-30 21:21:00 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Rescue in in
the installation DVD is just a tiny tiny Linux system. To
do something with it you need to know what is wrong, how to diagnose
things, and how to repair them. There is nothing automatic on it, there
is no help at all. Not even manuals.
Yes, it always seemed to me that the rescue system disk is more of a cruel
joke than a helpful tool.
20:14
New subject: [opensuse-support] Re: leap didn't make it
On 2020-10-31 15:04:17 Ben T. Fender wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 14:49:03 -0500
J Leslie Turriff <jlturriff(a)mail.com> wrote:
I'll have to take a look at that.
Leslie
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On 2020-10-30 21:21:00 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Just in passing I'm amazed with what ease
the SuperGrub CD manages to boot systems
which with every advantage cannot even boot
themselves :) Rescue in in the installation DVD is just a tiny
tiny Linux system. To
do something with it you need to know what is wrong, how to diagnose
things, and how to repair them. There is nothing automatic on it, there
is no help at all. Not even manuals.
Yes, it always seemed to me that the rescue system disk is more of a
cruel joke than a helpful tool.
01:22
On 10/30/20 8:37 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 31/10/2020 00.31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
OK. Found out that "rescue" provides a bash shell from which programmers
familiar with
the bare-bones of the OS might be able to fix it. I am not one of
those! Thanx for the info.
--doug
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On a different computer, I installed leap, just
to see what it
offered. It got very little use,
but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It
came up, but it was unhappy--
things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with
mouse cursor in center.
Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever
it's called) brought
back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue,
but it asks for login: and password:
Rescue from install disk should be "root". But you will not be able to
do anything with it.
10:13
In data sabato 31 ottobre 2020 00:31:27 CET, Doug McGarrett ha scritto:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see
what it offered.
It got very little use,
but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came
up, but it was unhappy--
things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with mouse
cursor in center.
Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever
it's called) brought
back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue, but
it asks for login: and password:
tried my username and my password from when the system worked, but it
doesn't want that.
If someone knows what it wants, I'll go on from there. otherwise, maybe
just put the Windows
drive back and forget it.
--doug
Sorry for the somewhat rough reception.
However I have to say: you are not giving any information to help you. The way you
are righting here is substantially a way to loose your time and the times of others. It
also comes over very arrogant, you seem to not have very clear either the technical
aspect or the motivational one. Nobody is paid to help you. And these are not "useful
idiots" to push around.
If you have already decided to give up, it would be nice to tell people that the threat is
closed, so that others coming by do not loose their time. That said:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see
what it offered.
It got very little use,
but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came
up, but it was unhappy--
a) what all need to know: what computer do you actually have. You do not tell this. But
it is essential.
What is processor, graphic card (as Nvidia is e.g. an industry responsible for a lot of
problems), what is the structure of you discs, how many, what kind, how much ram.
Such information should, case you are lost as you claim, be part of ANY request for
help.
To be clear, currently you are calling on the phone the owner of a privately driven
garage to say: my car does not start, tell me what is wrong, I actually do not like
"your
industry". What would a guy answer if you do this?
b) you say: left in sleep mode. I am sorry, but could you explain what you are saying?
Was is left hibernated? Was it left suspend to RAM? Was it shutdown normally and for
long time you did "forget about it"?
c) what did you install. When you ask for help on a Windows forum, do you say: I have
a problem with Windows. People will say either, call a handy man, or they will ask (if
they are smart: what are we talking about). If not, it happened that people explained
how to use Windows 10 and the guy answered, no, no, no just to say at the end he was
using Windows 98.
So: what Leap did you install. This information should even precede everything
together with the following point, to help you.
e) Linux gives you choice. So if you installed openSUSE Version X, you also have to
mention! what kind of desktop. If not, how would we know?
KDE, Gnome, XFCE or whatever. But we need to know if you want help. So easy it is.
So instead of tying to "morally pressure" people or try to take them by
"pride" or
"dedication", why aren't you just kind and precise. Helps a lot.
I am here to at least try to understand you issue, once you give a complete
information and once the tone is correct and respectful.
Kind regards.
23:18
On 10/31/20 6:13 AM, Stakanov wrote:
In data sabato 31 ottobre 2020 00:31:27 CET, Doug McGarrett ha scritto:
I am sorry that you have apparently taken umbrage at my post. I thought
I made it clear that I was not particularly
worried about the loss of Leap, but I *was* pointing to the fact that I
had been continuously pointed at Leap as
being a preferable OS to TW. If some simple command would have brought
the system back, I would have welcomed
it, but otherwise, it is no loss. And I haven't decided whether to
reinstall Leap, or to install a different Linux, or to
revert to an old and not 100% functional PCLOS on a different HD, which
is not installed at present. Or, to, God
forbid, Windows. Believe it or not, I have not used Windows for more
than a few hours *total* in 20 years!
--doug
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On a different computer, I installed leap, just
to see what it offered.
It got very little use,
but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring
it up today. It came
up, but it was unhappy--
things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted.
Came up black screen with mouse
cursor in center.
Long story short, nothing I tried, including
rescue mode (or whatever
it's called) brought
back normal operation. Finally put install disk
in and tried rescue, but
it asks for login: and password:
tried my username and my password from when the
system worked, but it
doesn't want that.
If someone knows what it wants, I'll go on
from there. otherwise, maybe
just put the Windows
drive back and forget it.
--doug
Sorry for the somewhat rough reception.
However I have to say: you are not giving any information to help you.
The way you are righting here is substantially a way to loose your
time and the times of others. It also comes over very arrogant, you
seem to not have very clear either the technical aspect or the
motivational one. Nobody is paid to help you. And these are not
"useful idiots" to push around.
If you have already decided to give up, it would be nice to tell
people that the threat is closed, so that others coming by do not
loose their time. That said:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just
to see what it offered.
It got very little use,
but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring
it up today. It came
up, but it was unhappy--
a) what all need to know: what computer do you actually have. You do
not tell this. But it is essential.
What is processor, graphic card (as Nvidia is e.g. an industry
responsible for a lot of problems), what is the structure of you
discs, how many, what kind, how much ram.
Such information should, case you are lost as you claim, be part of
ANY request for help.
To be clear, currently you are calling on the phone the owner of a
privately driven garage to say: my car does not start, tell me what is
wrong, I actually do not like "your industry". What would a guy answer
if you do this?
b) you say: left in sleep mode. I am sorry, but could you explain what
you are saying?
Was is left hibernated? Was it left suspend to RAM? Was it shutdown
normally and for long time you did "forget about it"?
c) what did you install. When you ask for help on a Windows forum, do
you say: I have a problem with Windows. People will say either, call a
handy man, or they will ask (if they are smart: what are we talking
about). If not, it happened that people explained how to use Windows
10 and the guy answered, no, no, no just to say at the end he was
using Windows 98.
So: what Leap did you install. This information should even precede
everything together with the following point, to help you.
e) Linux gives you choice. So if you installed openSUSE Version X, you
also have to mention! what kind of desktop. If not, how would we know?
KDE, Gnome, XFCE or whatever. But we need to know if you want help. So
easy it is.
So instead of tying to "morally pressure" people or try to take them
by "pride" or "dedication", why aren't you just kind and
precise.
Helps a lot.
I am here to at least try to understand you issue, once you give a
complete information and once the tone is correct and respectful.
Kind regards.
1 Nov
1 Nov
10:42
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On Saturday, 2020-10-31 at 19:18 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 10/31/20 6:13 AM, Stakanov wrote:
> In data sabato 31 ottobre 2020 00:31:27 CET, Doug McGarrett ha scritto:
> Sorry for the somewhat rough reception.
>
> However I have to say: you are not giving any information to help you. The
> way you are righting here is substantially a way to loose your time and
> the times of others. It also comes over very arrogant, you seem to not
> have very clear either the technical aspect or the motivational one.
> Nobody is paid to help you. And these are not "useful idiots" to push
> around.
>
> If you have already decided to give up, it would be nice to tell people
> that the threat is closed, so that others coming by do not loose their
> time. That said:
...
I am sorry that you have apparently taken umbrage at
my post. I thought
I made it clear that I was not particularly worried about the loss of
Leap, but I *was* pointing to the fact that I had been continuously
pointed at Leap as being a preferable OS to TW. If some simple command
would have brought the system back, I would have welcomed it, but
otherwise, it is no loss. And I haven't decided whether to reinstall
Leap, or to install a different Linux, or to revert to an old and not
100% functional PCLOS on a different HD, which is not installed at
present. Or, to, God forbid, Windows. Believe it or not, I have not used
Windows for more than a few hours *total* in 20 years! --doug
No, we are 95% confident that you did something to cause this installation
to fail :-p
Stakanov is 200% right in his post.
This mail list is for support, not for ranting. And you are ranting, you
are not giving any information that would guide us into a diagnosis. And
frankly, with the dificulty in making you understand and follow
instructions, it is not a prospect we'd enjoy. And many of us are here
because we enjoy helping.
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Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
(from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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13:05
In data domenica 1 novembre 2020 00:18:12 CET, Doug McGarrett ha scritto:
If some simple command would have brought
the system back, I would have welcomed
it, but otherwise, it is no loss.
To be clear. By reading what you write, avoid TW.
It is for people comfortable with
running a lot of commands in the CLI when things go South on you.
If you think that TW is "easier" than Leap, good luck!
You said a simple command. There is a simple command. Actually if you look at the
man page there are a LOT of simple command. To know which simple command
available is the right for you one needs information.
If you do not give this information, Windows, Leap or TW alike, nobody can help you.
If you did hibernate the machine and there was not sufficient swap: then this will give
at first boot probably a symptom like your. Is it? I do not know, as you did not give the
structure of you system. Do you a lot of ram, or little, do you have a swap, how big is
it?
If you have nvidia, you may start either in safe mode (from grub). But I think you do
arrive at grub, as you see a "cursor". Or are you stuck before you reach grub?
As you see, there is an easy command to help you. But knowbody can give it to you,
because, for what I understand, the sole scope of your post was to blow it off. If not, I
am waiting for the info and probably you will find your system in a glance.
If you are stuck after grub there is a procedure.
If you stuck before grub, there is a procedure.
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