[opensuse-support] leap didn't make it
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see what it offered. It got very little use, but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came up, but it was unhappy-- things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with mouse cursor in center. Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever it's called) brought back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue, but it asks for login: and password: tried my username and my password from when the system worked, but it doesn't want that. If someone knows what it wants, I'll go on from there. otherwise, maybe just put the Windows drive back and forget it. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 19:31:27 -0400 Doug McGarrett <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> wrote:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see what it offered. It got very little use, but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came up, but it was unhappy-- things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with mouse cursor in center. Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever it's called) brought back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue, but it asks for login: and password: tried my username and my password from when the system worked, but it doesn't want that. If someone knows what it wants, I'll go on from there. otherwise, maybe just put the Windows drive back and forget it. --doug
Please put the Windows drive back and then we can all go back to sleep! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
On 31/10/2020 00.31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see what it offered. It got very little use, but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came up, but it was unhappy-- things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with mouse cursor in center. Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever it's called) brought back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue, but it asks for login: and password:
Rescue from install disk should be "root". But you will not be able to do anything with it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 10/30/20 8:37 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 31/10/2020 00.31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see what it offered. It got very little use, but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came up, but it was unhappy-- things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with mouse cursor in center. Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever it's called) brought back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue, but it asks for login: and password:
Rescue from install disk should be "root". But you will not be able to do anything with it.
You're right. I don't want to make a project out of this. What should rescue do--doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
On 31/10/2020 02.09, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 10/30/20 8:37 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 31/10/2020 00.31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see what it offered. It got very little use, but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came up, but it was unhappy-- things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with mouse cursor in center. Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever it's called) brought back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue, but it asks for login: and password:
Rescue from install disk should be "root". But you will not be able to do anything with it.
You're right. I don't want to make a project out of this. What should rescue do--doug
Rescue in in the installation DVD is just a tiny tiny Linux system. To do something with it you need to know what is wrong, how to diagnose things, and how to repair them. There is nothing automatic on it, there is no help at all. Not even manuals. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 (Legolas))
On 2020-10-30 21:21:00 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 31/10/2020 02.09, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 10/30/20 8:37 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 31/10/2020 00.31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see what it offered. It got very little use, but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came up, but it was unhappy-- things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with mouse cursor in center. Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever it's called) brought back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue, but it asks for login: and password:
Rescue from install disk should be "root". But you will not be able to do anything with it.
You're right. I don't want to make a project out of this. What should rescue do--doug
Rescue in in the installation DVD is just a tiny tiny Linux system. To do something with it you need to know what is wrong, how to diagnose things, and how to repair them. There is nothing automatic on it, there is no help at all. Not even manuals.
Yes, it always seemed to me that the rescue system disk is more of a cruel joke than a helpful tool. Leslie -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
On 31/10/2020 20.49, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-10-30 21:21:00 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 31/10/2020 02.09, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 10/30/20 8:37 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 31/10/2020 00.31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see what it offered. It got very little use, but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came up, but it was unhappy-- things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with mouse cursor in center. Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever it's called) brought back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue, but it asks for login: and password:
Rescue from install disk should be "root". But you will not be able to do anything with it.
You're right. I don't want to make a project out of this. What should rescue do--doug
Rescue in in the installation DVD is just a tiny tiny Linux system. To do something with it you need to know what is wrong, how to diagnose things, and how to repair them. There is nothing automatic on it, there is no help at all. Not even manuals.
Yes, it always seemed to me that the rescue system disk is more of a cruel joke than a helpful tool.
There is a dedicated ISO image to install on USB stick, that becomes writable after booting it (you can even install new packages to it) that is called the "rescue" stick. This is a full XFCE desktop, and I have used it successfully more than once to solve problems. <http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/15.2/live/openSUSE-Leap-15.2-Rescue-CD-x86_64-Media.iso> Still, the administrator has to diagnose the problem and solve it himself, there is no automatics. Long ago there was an automated "rescue" system in the DVD, that managed to solve some problems but failed too much, was difficult to maintain, and was finally removed from the distribution. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 14:49:03 -0500 J Leslie Turriff <jlturriff@mail.com> wrote:
On 2020-10-30 21:21:00 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Rescue in in the installation DVD is just a tiny tiny Linux system. To do something with it you need to know what is wrong, how to diagnose things, and how to repair them. There is nothing automatic on it, there is no help at all. Not even manuals.
Yes, it always seemed to me that the rescue system disk is more of a cruel joke than a helpful tool.
Just in passing I'm amazed with what ease the SuperGrub CD manages to boot systems which with every advantage cannot even boot themselves :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
On 2020-10-31 15:04:17 Ben T. Fender wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 14:49:03 -0500
J Leslie Turriff <jlturriff@mail.com> wrote:
On 2020-10-30 21:21:00 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Rescue in in the installation DVD is just a tiny tiny Linux system. To do something with it you need to know what is wrong, how to diagnose things, and how to repair them. There is nothing automatic on it, there is no help at all. Not even manuals.
Yes, it always seemed to me that the rescue system disk is more of a cruel joke than a helpful tool.
Just in passing I'm amazed with what ease the SuperGrub CD manages to boot systems which with every advantage cannot even boot themselves :)
I'll have to take a look at that. Leslie -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/30/20 8:37 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 31/10/2020 00.31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see what it offered. It got very little use, but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came up, but it was unhappy-- things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with mouse cursor in center. Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever it's called) brought back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue, but it asks for login: and password:
Rescue from install disk should be "root". But you will not be able to do anything with it.
OK. Found out that "rescue" provides a bash shell from which programmers familiar with the bare-bones of the OS might be able to fix it. I am not one of those! Thanx for the info. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
In data sabato 31 ottobre 2020 00:31:27 CET, Doug McGarrett ha scritto:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see what it offered. It got very little use, but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came up, but it was unhappy-- things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with mouse cursor in center. Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever it's called) brought back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue, but it asks for login: and password: tried my username and my password from when the system worked, but it doesn't want that. If someone knows what it wants, I'll go on from there. otherwise, maybe just put the Windows drive back and forget it. --doug Sorry for the somewhat rough reception. However I have to say: you are not giving any information to help you. The way you are righting here is substantially a way to loose your time and the times of others. It also comes over very arrogant, you seem to not have very clear either the technical aspect or the motivational one. Nobody is paid to help you. And these are not "useful idiots" to push around.
If you have already decided to give up, it would be nice to tell people that the threat is closed, so that others coming by do not loose their time. That said:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see what it offered.
It got very little use, but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came up, but it was unhappy--
a) what all need to know: what computer do you actually have. You do not tell this. But it is essential. What is processor, graphic card (as Nvidia is e.g. an industry responsible for a lot of problems), what is the structure of you discs, how many, what kind, how much ram. Such information should, case you are lost as you claim, be part of ANY request for help. To be clear, currently you are calling on the phone the owner of a privately driven garage to say: my car does not start, tell me what is wrong, I actually do not like "your industry". What would a guy answer if you do this? b) you say: left in sleep mode. I am sorry, but could you explain what you are saying? Was is left hibernated? Was it left suspend to RAM? Was it shutdown normally and for long time you did "forget about it"? c) what did you install. When you ask for help on a Windows forum, do you say: I have a problem with Windows. People will say either, call a handy man, or they will ask (if they are smart: what are we talking about). If not, it happened that people explained how to use Windows 10 and the guy answered, no, no, no just to say at the end he was using Windows 98. So: what Leap did you install. This information should even precede everything together with the following point, to help you. e) Linux gives you choice. So if you installed openSUSE Version X, you also have to mention! what kind of desktop. If not, how would we know? KDE, Gnome, XFCE or whatever. But we need to know if you want help. So easy it is. So instead of tying to "morally pressure" people or try to take them by "pride" or "dedication", why aren't you just kind and precise. Helps a lot. I am here to at least try to understand you issue, once you give a complete information and once the tone is correct and respectful. Kind regards.
On 10/31/20 6:13 AM, Stakanov wrote:
In data sabato 31 ottobre 2020 00:31:27 CET, Doug McGarrett ha scritto:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see what it offered.
It got very little use,
but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came
up, but it was unhappy--
things in the GUI didn't work. Rebooted. Came up black screen with mouse
cursor in center.
Long story short, nothing I tried, including rescue mode (or whatever
it's called) brought
back normal operation. Finally put install disk in and tried rescue, but
it asks for login: and password:
tried my username and my password from when the system worked, but it
doesn't want that.
If someone knows what it wants, I'll go on from there. otherwise, maybe
just put the Windows
drive back and forget it.
--doug
Sorry for the somewhat rough reception.
However I have to say: you are not giving any information to help you. The way you are righting here is substantially a way to loose your time and the times of others. It also comes over very arrogant, you seem to not have very clear either the technical aspect or the motivational one. Nobody is paid to help you. And these are not "useful idiots" to push around.
If you have already decided to give up, it would be nice to tell people that the threat is closed, so that others coming by do not loose their time. That said:
On a different computer, I installed leap, just to see what it offered.
> It got very little use,
> but was left in sleep mode until I tried to bring it up today. It came
> up, but it was unhappy--
a) what all need to know: what computer do you actually have. You do not tell this. But it is essential.
What is processor, graphic card (as Nvidia is e.g. an industry responsible for a lot of problems), what is the structure of you discs, how many, what kind, how much ram.
Such information should, case you are lost as you claim, be part of ANY request for help.
To be clear, currently you are calling on the phone the owner of a privately driven garage to say: my car does not start, tell me what is wrong, I actually do not like "your industry". What would a guy answer if you do this?
b) you say: left in sleep mode. I am sorry, but could you explain what you are saying?
Was is left hibernated? Was it left suspend to RAM? Was it shutdown normally and for long time you did "forget about it"?
c) what did you install. When you ask for help on a Windows forum, do you say: I have a problem with Windows. People will say either, call a handy man, or they will ask (if they are smart: what are we talking about). If not, it happened that people explained how to use Windows 10 and the guy answered, no, no, no just to say at the end he was using Windows 98.
So: what Leap did you install. This information should even precede everything together with the following point, to help you.
e) Linux gives you choice. So if you installed openSUSE Version X, you also have to mention! what kind of desktop. If not, how would we know?
KDE, Gnome, XFCE or whatever. But we need to know if you want help. So easy it is.
So instead of tying to "morally pressure" people or try to take them by "pride" or "dedication", why aren't you just kind and precise. Helps a lot.
I am here to at least try to understand you issue, once you give a complete information and once the tone is correct and respectful.
Kind regards.
I am sorry that you have apparently taken umbrage at my post. I thought I made it clear that I was not particularly worried about the loss of Leap, but I *was* pointing to the fact that I had been continuously pointed at Leap as being a preferable OS to TW. If some simple command would have brought the system back, I would have welcomed it, but otherwise, it is no loss. And I haven't decided whether to reinstall Leap, or to install a different Linux, or to revert to an old and not 100% functional PCLOS on a different HD, which is not installed at present. Or, to, God forbid, Windows. Believe it or not, I have not used Windows for more than a few hours *total* in 20 years! --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2020-10-31 at 19:18 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 10/31/20 6:13 AM, Stakanov wrote:
In data sabato 31 ottobre 2020 00:31:27 CET, Doug McGarrett ha scritto:
Sorry for the somewhat rough reception.
However I have to say: you are not giving any information to help you. The way you are righting here is substantially a way to loose your time and the times of others. It also comes over very arrogant, you seem to not have very clear either the technical aspect or the motivational one. Nobody is paid to help you. And these are not "useful idiots" to push around.
If you have already decided to give up, it would be nice to tell people that the threat is closed, so that others coming by do not loose their time. That said:
...
I am sorry that you have apparently taken umbrage at my post. I thought I made it clear that I was not particularly worried about the loss of Leap, but I *was* pointing to the fact that I had been continuously pointed at Leap as being a preferable OS to TW. If some simple command would have brought the system back, I would have welcomed it, but otherwise, it is no loss. And I haven't decided whether to reinstall Leap, or to install a different Linux, or to revert to an old and not 100% functional PCLOS on a different HD, which is not installed at present. Or, to, God forbid, Windows. Believe it or not, I have not used Windows for more than a few hours *total* in 20 years! --doug
No, we are 95% confident that you did something to cause this installation to fail :-p Stakanov is 200% right in his post. This mail list is for support, not for ranting. And you are ranting, you are not giving any information that would guide us into a diagnosis. And frankly, with the dificulty in making you understand and follow instructions, it is not a prospect we'd enjoy. And many of us are here because we enjoy helping. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCX56RJxwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfVkzIAoJDcx0BDtGmsf5yZykLP /n/TIdFEAKCXdzl4rEEyfCiAb3x8Zn1digDlLg== =cacB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
In data domenica 1 novembre 2020 00:18:12 CET, Doug McGarrett ha scritto:
If some simple command would have brought the system back, I would have welcomed it, but otherwise, it is no loss. To be clear. By reading what you write, avoid TW. It is for people comfortable with running a lot of commands in the CLI when things go South on you. If you think that TW is "easier" than Leap, good luck!
You said a simple command. There is a simple command. Actually if you look at the man page there are a LOT of simple command. To know which simple command available is the right for you one needs information. If you do not give this information, Windows, Leap or TW alike, nobody can help you. If you did hibernate the machine and there was not sufficient swap: then this will give at first boot probably a symptom like your. Is it? I do not know, as you did not give the structure of you system. Do you a lot of ram, or little, do you have a swap, how big is it? If you have nvidia, you may start either in safe mode (from grub). But I think you do arrive at grub, as you see a "cursor". Or are you stuck before you reach grub? As you see, there is an easy command to help you. But knowbody can give it to you, because, for what I understand, the sole scope of your post was to blow it off. If not, I am waiting for the info and probably you will find your system in a glance. If you are stuck after grub there is a procedure. If you stuck before grub, there is a procedure.
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