Hopefully resolving my woes
* mark neidorff <mark@neidorff.com> [08-04-22 16:16]:
Quick review: Got a message about updates need to be installed. Installed the. On the next reboot the system is extremely unstable--will only run for, perhaps a minute or two before a no keyboard or mouse response hang. Was able to boot into text and used YAST to manually rollback the set of updates. Rebooted, but the system still hangs within a minute or two. It takes either powering off or <ALT>-<SYSREQ> r....e...i...s...u...b to shut the system down.
As I see it, I have three choices now. (1) reinstall 15.3 or (2) upgrade to 15.4 (3) go back into current broken system
Recent addition to this system: The current 15.3 system is on a "spinning" HDD. I just bought a new SSD. to replace the HDD.
Today I tried installing 15.4. The only thing the installer would allow me to do is to replace the 15.3 installation with 15.4. I selected the new drive, but the installer wouldn't proceed with the installation.
I can upgrade the current system, but, that leaves the system on the HDD. So, I carefully unselected all the choices, and backed out of the installation without making any changes to the existing system (beyond putting the new drive in).
I think (am reasonably sure) that if I unplug the HDD, I will be able to install on the SSD.
So, rollback didn't fix. Do you have suggestions other than: unplug the HDD and install 15.4 on the SSD? (migrating my data will not be a major chore, if need be)
why not clone the rotating rust to the ssd, remove the rotating rust and update the system on your new ssd? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
Am 04.08.22 um 23:12 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* mark neidorff <mark@neidorff.com> [08-04-22 16:16]:
Quick review: Got a message about updates need to be installed. Installed the. On the next reboot the system is extremely unstable--will only run for, perhaps a minute or two before a no keyboard or mouse response hang. Was able to boot into text and used YAST to manually rollback the set of updates. Rebooted, but the system still hangs within a minute or two. It takes either powering off or <ALT>-<SYSREQ> r....e...i...s...u...b to shut the system down.
As I see it, I have three choices now. (1) reinstall 15.3 or (2) upgrade to 15.4 (3) go back into current broken system
Recent addition to this system: The current 15.3 system is on a "spinning" HDD. I just bought a new SSD. to replace the HDD.
Today I tried installing 15.4. The only thing the installer would allow me to do is to replace the 15.3 installation with 15.4. I selected the new drive, but the installer wouldn't proceed with the installation.
I can upgrade the current system, but, that leaves the system on the HDD. So, I carefully unselected all the choices, and backed out of the installation without making any changes to the existing system (beyond putting the new drive in).
I think (am reasonably sure) that if I unplug the HDD, I will be able to install on the SSD.
So, rollback didn't fix. Do you have suggestions other than: unplug the HDD and install 15.4 on the SSD? (migrating my data will not be a major chore, if need be)
why not clone the rotating rust to the ssd, remove the rotating rust and update the system on your new ssd?
was the system stable when you insert the sdd and have not done the update? if yes its a software update probem, maybe mixed up 15.3 and 15.4 if its related to the installation of the ssd its a hardware problem. i would do the following steps: remove the ssd. if stable fine. if not we have a softwareproblem, in both situations make a update to the old hdd (from commandline -> zypper) check that you do not have any repos from 15.3 enabled. then it !should! be stable. if stable insert the ssd again, if stil stable "dd" the hdd to the ssd, remove the hdd check if it boots (it depends on your settings bios + drives names in fstab and some other things), if not report again, simoN -- www.becherer.de ----------------------------------------------- - Das ist die vorlaeufig endgueltige Version! - Herbert C. Maier Dipl.-Ing. (FH) -----------------------------------------------
Thank you to everyone who has helped me get past the problem. I appreciate all of your help. This was how I solved it: Downlaoded and burned 15.4 onto DVD. Used gpartd to clone my 15.3 installation onto the SSD. Removed the HDD. Ugraded 15.3 --> 15.4. I now have a fully functional and working system again. Again....thanks to everyone. Mark On Thursday, August 4, 2022 4:14:27 PM EDT mark neidorff wrote:
Quick review: Got a message about updates need to be installed. Installed the. On the next reboot the system is extremely unstable--will only run for, perhaps a minute or two before a no keyboard or mouse response hang. Was able to boot into text and used YAST to manually rollback the set of updates. Rebooted, but the system still hangs within a minute or two. It takes either powering off or <ALT>-<SYSREQ> r....e...i...s...u...b to shut the system down. As I see it, I have three choices now. (1) reinstall 15.3 or (2) upgrade to 15.4 (3) go back into current broken system Recent addition to this system: The current 15.3 system is on a "spinning" HDD. I just bought a new SSD. to replace the HDD. Today I tried installing 15.4. The only thing the installer would allow me to do is to replace the 15.3 installation with 15.4. I selected the new drive, but the installer wouldn't proceed with the installation. I can upgrade the current system, but, that leaves the system on the HDD. So, I carefully unselected all the choices, and backed out of the installation without making any changes to the existing system (beyond putting the new drive in). I think (am reasonably sure) that if I unplug the HDD, I will be able to install on the SSD. So, rollback didn't fix. Do you have suggestions other than: unplug the HDD and install 15.4 on the SSD? (migrating my data will not be a major chore, if need be) Thank you for all the help.
Mark
-- A moving photon never has luggage, it's always travelling light.
On 2022-08-06 20:55, Mark Neidorff wrote:
Thank you to everyone who has helped me get past the problem. I appreciate all of your help. This was how I solved it:
Downlaoded and burned 15.4 onto DVD. Used gpartd to clone my 15.3 installation onto the SSD.
One possible issue with this, and which you did not hit is both disks having different sector size.
Removed the HDD. Ugraded 15.3 --> 15.4.
I now have a fully functional and working system again.
Good!
Again....thanks to everyone.
You should have a look at activating trim on the SSD, because as your installation is cloned from rotating rust it will not be enabled as in a new installation. On my 15.3: systemctl list-timers --all see the line for "fstrim.timer".
Mark
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 4:14:27 PM EDT mark neidorff wrote:
Quick review: Got a message about updates need to be installed. Installed the. On the next reboot the system is extremely unstable--will only run for, perhaps a minute or two before a no keyboard or mouse response hang. Was able to boot into text and used YAST to manually rollback the set of updates.
I assume you meant rpm rollback, not snapper (btrfs) rollback?
Rebooted, but the system still hangs within a minute or two. It
takes either powering off or <ALT>-<SYSREQ> r....e...i...s...u...b to shut the system down. As I see it, I have three choices now. (1) reinstall 15.3 or (2) upgrade to 15.4 (3) go back into current broken system Recent addition to this system: The current 15.3 system is on a "spinning" HDD. I just bought a new SSD. to replace the HDD. Today I tried installing 15.4. The only thing the installer would allow me to do is to replace the 15.3 installation with 15.4. I selected the new drive, but the installer wouldn't proceed with the installation.
Weird.
I can upgrade the current system, but, that leaves the system on the HDD. So, I carefully unselected all the choices, and backed out of the installation without making any changes to the existing system (beyond putting the new drive in).
You just had to cancel or abort the installation, no need to unselect the choices. The openSUSE installer writes nothing till the very end, when it says it is going to start the installation.
I think (am reasonably sure) that if I unplug the HDD, I will be able to install on the SSD. So, rollback didn't fix. Do you have suggestions other than: unplug the HDD and install 15.4 on the SSD? (migrating my data will not be a major chore, if need be) Thank you for all the help.
Mark
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Thank you Carlos, I ran: #systemctl list-timers --all and found that the fstrim.timer is running, Checking these things is a good thing. Much appreciated. Mark On Sunday, August 7, 2022 7:56:21 AM EDT Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-08-06 20:55, Mark Neidorff wrote:
Thank you to everyone who has helped me get past the problem. I appreciate all of your help. This was how I solved it:
Downlaoded and burned 15.4 onto DVD. Used gpartd to clone my 15.3 installation onto the SSD.
One possible issue with this, and which you did not hit is both disks having different sector size.
Removed the HDD. Ugraded 15.3 --> 15.4.
I now have a fully functional and working system again.
Good!
Again....thanks to everyone.
You should have a look at activating trim on the SSD, because as your installation is cloned from rotating rust it will not be enabled as in a new installation.
On my 15.3:
systemctl list-timers --all
see the line for "fstrim.timer".
Mark
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 4:14:27 PM EDT mark neidorff wrote:
Quick review: Got a message about updates need to be installed. Installed the. On the next reboot the system is extremely unstable--will only run for, perhaps a minute or two before a no keyboard or mouse response hang. Was able to boot into text and used YAST to manually rollback the set of updates.
I assume you meant rpm rollback, not snapper (btrfs) rollback?
Rebooted, but the system still hangs within a minute or two. It
takes either powering off or <ALT>-<SYSREQ> r....e...i...s...u...b to shut the system down. As I see it, I have three choices now. (1) reinstall 15.3 or (2) upgrade to 15.4 (3) go back into current broken system Recent addition to this system: The current 15.3 system is on a "spinning" HDD. I just bought a new SSD. to replace the HDD. Today I tried installing 15.4. The only thing the installer would allow me to do is to replace the 15.3 installation with 15.4. I selected the new drive, but the installer wouldn't proceed with the installation.
Weird.
I can upgrade the current system, but, that leaves the system on the HDD. So, I carefully unselected all the choices, and backed out of the installation without making any changes to the existing system (beyond putting the new drive in).
You just had to cancel or abort the installation, no need to unselect the choices. The openSUSE installer writes nothing till the very end, when it says it is going to start the installation.
I think (am reasonably sure) that if I unplug the HDD, I will be able to install on the SSD. So, rollback didn't fix. Do you have suggestions other than: unplug the HDD and install 15.4 on the SSD? (migrating my data will not be a major chore, if need be) Thank you for all the help.
Mark
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
-- A moving photon never has luggage, it's always traveling light.
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