Re: No graphical environment after latest snapshot
* Jogchum Reitsma <j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-22-23 02:21]:
Op 22-09-2023 om 04:35 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma <j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-21-23 18:04]:
Op 21-09-2023 om 21:49 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma<j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-21-23 12:28]:
Hi,
My son's system fails to get into a graphical environment after the zypper dup --no-allow-vendor-change issued yesterday (to TW 20230917, kernel 6.5.3.-1-default). Trying to issue startx, the Xorg.0.login his home environment says "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module¨. then you do not have the nvidia pkg for the 6.5 kernel installed. if G04, I don't believe there is one "yet". There is indeed no nvidia-glG05 or -4 package, says zypper info.
As said, too bad that one doesn't get warned for this omission when issuing the usual zypper dup. Now we have a pretty useless system. no, just boot a 6.4 kernel
We tried that yesterday, via grub. The only result was a blinking cursor in the upper left of both screens. It was possible to go to tty01 for a terminal login, but no graphics screen.
We haven't done any research as to why this 6.4 kernel does not boot to graphical system, that's something we should do, I think. At the moment there is no nvidia nvidia-glG05 or -04 package installed, so that could pose the problem for the 6.4 kernel?
most certainly. fwiw: I do not know where you found directions to remove the nvidia packages when updating the kernel. I have never removed the nvidia pkgs in that circumstance. just do the upgrade/update (dup) and reboot. if you don't get graphical, revert to the previous working kernel and wait for newer nvidia packages.
My son is gone for the weekend on an obligatory trip with his faculty (he started this year with mathematics an physics), so we won't be able to do anything before Monday.
Rest me to say thanks for thinking with us!
regards, Jogchum
fwiw: this is a well known situation and has been for many years now.
Is something wrong with this snapshot?
(We thought about doing a snapper rollback, but snapper says snapper is not configured - isn't that done automagically when installing TW? It is configured in my own system, and I can't remember having done that myself.) are you utilizing btrfs? if not, sanpper rollback is not available.
fwiw: my G04 system also cannot utilize the 6.5 kernel.
-- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
Op 22-09-2023 om 14:59 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma <j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-22-23 02:21]:
Op 22-09-2023 om 04:35 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma <j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-21-23 18:04]:
Op 21-09-2023 om 21:49 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma<j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-21-23 12:28]:
Hi,
My son's system fails to get into a graphical environment after the zypper dup --no-allow-vendor-change issued yesterday (to TW 20230917, kernel 6.5.3.-1-default). Trying to issue startx, the Xorg.0.login his home environment says "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module¨. then you do not have the nvidia pkg for the 6.5 kernel installed. if G04, I don't believe there is one "yet". There is indeed no nvidia-glG05 or -4 package, says zypper info.
As said, too bad that one doesn't get warned for this omission when issuing the usual zypper dup. Now we have a pretty useless system. no, just boot a 6.4 kernel We tried that yesterday, via grub. The only result was a blinking cursor in the upper left of both screens. It was possible to go to tty01 for a terminal login, but no graphics screen.
We haven't done any research as to why this 6.4 kernel does not boot to graphical system, that's something we should do, I think. At the moment there is no nvidia nvidia-glG05 or -04 package installed, so that could pose the problem for the 6.4 kernel? most certainly.
fwiw: I do not know where you found directions to remove the nvidia packages when updating the kernel. I have never removed the nvidia pkgs in that circumstance. just do the upgrade/update (dup) and reboot. if you don't get graphical, revert to the previous working kernel and wait for newer nvidia packages. I'm pretty sure my son did not manually remove the nVidia packages.
I'll check with him on first opportunity, but I'm almost 100% sure he did not do that - just issued an upgrade to the latest TW snapshot using zypper. The only thing that could have gone wrong is that he issued zypper up in stead of zypper dup --no-allow-vendor-change - he was used to Leap, TW was recently installed. We wil check history for that. I think the best way to proceed is to pull in the missing nVidia packages, and reboot previous kernel. As said, that will be no earlier than next Monday. I'll post the results here. Thanks again, Jogchum
My son is gone for the weekend on an obligatory trip with his faculty (he started this year with mathematics an physics), so we won't be able to do anything before Monday.
Rest me to say thanks for thinking with us!
regards, Jogchum
fwiw: this is a well known situation and has been for many years now.
Is something wrong with this snapshot?
(We thought about doing a snapper rollback, but snapper says snapper is not configured - isn't that done automagically when installing TW? It is configured in my own system, and I can't remember having done that myself.) are you utilizing btrfs? if not, sanpper rollback is not available.
fwiw: my G04 system also cannot utilize the 6.5 kernel.
Op 22-09-2023 om 14:59 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma <j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-22-23 02:21]:
Op 22-09-2023 om 04:35 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma <j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-21-23 18:04]:
Op 21-09-2023 om 21:49 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma<j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-21-23 12:28]:
Hi,
My son's system fails to get into a graphical environment after the zypper dup --no-allow-vendor-change issued yesterday (to TW 20230917, kernel 6.5.3.-1-default). Trying to issue startx, the Xorg.0.login his home environment says "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module¨. then you do not have the nvidia pkg for the 6.5 kernel installed. if G04, I don't believe there is one "yet". There is indeed no nvidia-glG05 or -4 package, says zypper info.
As said, too bad that one doesn't get warned for this omission when issuing the usual zypper dup. Now we have a pretty useless system. no, just boot a 6.4 kernel We tried that yesterday, via grub. The only result was a blinking cursor in the upper left of both screens. It was possible to go to tty01 for a terminal login, but no graphics screen.
We haven't done any research as to why this 6.4 kernel does not boot to graphical system, that's something we should do, I think. At the moment there is no nvidia nvidia-glG05 or -04 package installed, so that could pose the problem for the 6.4 kernel? most certainly.
fwiw: I do not know where you found directions to remove the nvidia packages when updating the kernel. I have never removed the nvidia pkgs in that circumstance. just do the upgrade/update (dup) and reboot. if you don't get graphical, revert to the previous working kernel and wait for newer nvidia packages.
Update: we tried to install the drivers with zypper in nvidia-glG05, but zypper can´t find them. Also trying to add the nvidia repo (zypper addrepo https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed/) filas, there is no .repo file found. Indeed it's not there, probably because building fails?
My son is gone for the weekend on an obligatory trip with his faculty (he started this year with mathematics an physics), so we won't be able to do anything before Monday.
Rest me to say thanks for thinking with us!
regards, Jogchum
fwiw: this is a well known situation and has been for many years now.
Is something wrong with this snapshot?
(We thought about doing a snapper rollback, but snapper says snapper is not configured - isn't that done automagically when installing TW? It is configured in my own system, and I can't remember having done that myself.) are you utilizing btrfs? if not, sanpper rollback is not available.
fwiw: my G04 system also cannot utilize the 6.5 kernel.
* Jogchum Reitsma <j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-25-23 16:47]:
Op 22-09-2023 om 14:59 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma <j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-22-23 02:21]:
Op 22-09-2023 om 04:35 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma <j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-21-23 18:04]:
Op 21-09-2023 om 21:49 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma<j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-21-23 12:28]: > Hi, > > My son's system fails to get into a graphical environment after the zypper > dup --no-allow-vendor-change issued yesterday (to TW 20230917, kernel > 6.5.3.-1-default). Trying to issue startx, the Xorg.0.login his home > environment says "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module¨. then you do not have the nvidia pkg for the 6.5 kernel installed. if G04, I don't believe there is one "yet". There is indeed no nvidia-glG05 or -4 package, says zypper info.
As said, too bad that one doesn't get warned for this omission when issuing the usual zypper dup. Now we have a pretty useless system. no, just boot a 6.4 kernel We tried that yesterday, via grub. The only result was a blinking cursor in the upper left of both screens. It was possible to go to tty01 for a terminal login, but no graphics screen.
We haven't done any research as to why this 6.4 kernel does not boot to graphical system, that's something we should do, I think. At the moment there is no nvidia nvidia-glG05 or -04 package installed, so that could pose the problem for the 6.4 kernel? most certainly.
fwiw: I do not know where you found directions to remove the nvidia packages when updating the kernel. I have never removed the nvidia pkgs in that circumstance. just do the upgrade/update (dup) and reboot. if you don't get graphical, revert to the previous working kernel and wait for newer nvidia packages.
Update: we tried to install the drivers with zypper in nvidia-glG05, but zypper can´t find them.
Also trying to add the nvidia repo (zypper addrepo https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed/) filas, there is no repo file found. Indeed it's not there, probably because building fails?
https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed is the baseurl and perhaps the trailing "/" is causing you problems. I do not recall the ar (add repo) syntex as I hand edit but you are welcome to copy and use my repo if need be. http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/NVidia.repo -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
Op 25-09-2023 om 22:57 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma<j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-25-23 16:47]:
Op 22-09-2023 om 14:59 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma<j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-22-23 02:21]:
Op 22-09-2023 om 04:35 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma<j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-21-23 18:04]:
Op 21-09-2023 om 21:49 schreef Patrick Shanahan: > * Jogchum Reitsma<j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-21-23 12:28]: >> Hi, >> >> My son's system fails to get into a graphical environment after the zypper >> dup --no-allow-vendor-change issued yesterday (to TW 20230917, kernel >> 6.5.3.-1-default). Trying to issue startx, the Xorg.0.login his home >> environment says "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module¨. > then you do not have the nvidia pkg for the 6.5 kernel installed. if G04, > I don't believe there is one "yet". There is indeed no nvidia-glG05 or -4 package, says zypper info.
As said, too bad that one doesn't get warned for this omission when issuing the usual zypper dup. Now we have a pretty useless system. no, just boot a 6.4 kernel We tried that yesterday, via grub. The only result was a blinking cursor in the upper left of both screens. It was possible to go to tty01 for a terminal login, but no graphics screen.
We haven't done any research as to why this 6.4 kernel does not boot to graphical system, that's something we should do, I think. At the moment there is no nvidia nvidia-glG05 or -04 package installed, so that could pose the problem for the 6.4 kernel? most certainly.
fwiw: I do not know where you found directions to remove the nvidia packages when updating the kernel. I have never removed the nvidia pkgs in that circumstance. just do the upgrade/update (dup) and reboot. if you don't get graphical, revert to the previous working kernel and wait for newer nvidia packages. Update: we tried to install the drivers with zypper in nvidia-glG05, but zypper can´t find them.
Also trying to add the nvidia repo (zypper addrepo https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed/) filas, there is no repo file found. Indeed it's not there, probably because building fails? https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed is the baseurl and perhaps the trailing "/" is causing you problems.
But if I go to https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed there is no .repo file. So I would say the trailing / is not the problem, iac not the only problem? But could well be that the addrepo command I used is incorrect.
I do not recall the ar (add repo) syntex as I hand edit but you are welcome to copy and use my repo if need be.
Thanks, I downloaded it. It is more ore less the same as the content of a .repo file in my own TW-system: [tumbleweed] name=NVidia drivers enabled=1 autorefresh=1 baseurl=https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed path=/ type=rpm-md keeppackages=0 We'll check if such a repo exist in his system. If not, we can copy my (or your) .repo to his /etc/zypp/repos.d and give it a try again. Things go a bit slowly, son being rather busy doing both mathematics and physics. Thanks again!
Op 25-09-2023 om 22:57 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma <j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-25-23 16:47]:
Op 22-09-2023 om 14:59 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma <j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-22-23 02:21]:
Op 22-09-2023 om 04:35 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
* Jogchum Reitsma <j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-21-23 18:04]:
Op 21-09-2023 om 21:49 schreef Patrick Shanahan: > * Jogchum Reitsma<j.reitsma@hccnet.nl> [09-21-23 12:28]: >> Hi, >> >> My son's system fails to get into a graphical environment after the zypper >> dup --no-allow-vendor-change issued yesterday (to TW 20230917, kernel >> 6.5.3.-1-default). Trying to issue startx, the Xorg.0.login his home >> environment says "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module¨. > then you do not have the nvidia pkg for the 6.5 kernel installed. if G04, > I don't believe there is one "yet". There is indeed no nvidia-glG05 or -4 package, says zypper info.
As said, too bad that one doesn't get warned for this omission when issuing the usual zypper dup. Now we have a pretty useless system. no, just boot a 6.4 kernel We tried that yesterday, via grub. The only result was a blinking cursor in the upper left of both screens. It was possible to go to tty01 for a terminal login, but no graphics screen.
We haven't done any research as to why this 6.4 kernel does not boot to graphical system, that's something we should do, I think. At the moment there is no nvidia nvidia-glG05 or -04 package installed, so that could pose the problem for the 6.4 kernel? most certainly.
fwiw: I do not know where you found directions to remove the nvidia packages when updating the kernel. I have never removed the nvidia pkgs in that circumstance. just do the upgrade/update (dup) and reboot. if you don't get graphical, revert to the previous working kernel and wait for newer nvidia packages. Update: we tried to install the drivers with zypper in nvidia-glG05, but zypper can´t find them.
Also trying to add the nvidia repo (zypper addrepo https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed/) filas, there is no repo file found. Indeed it's not there, probably because building fails? https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed is the baseurl and perhaps the trailing "/" is causing you problems.
I do not recall the ar (add repo) syntex as I hand edit but you are welcome to copy and use my repo if need be.
As mysteriously as the problem came, it disappeared. Yesterday I was visiting my son, we did a zypper refresh and a zypper dup --no-vendor-change, and voila, on reboot we had a working KDE again. The only change made is that we had already put my repo which refers to nvidia in /etc/zypp/repo.d But since he a working KDE before TW 20230917, this should not be necessary. Well, things work, and thanks again for all help and suggestions presented here! regards, Jogchum
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