Dne pátek 2. dubna 2021 12:37:36 CEST, Carlos E. R. napsal(a):

On 02/04/2021 09.53, Bengt Gördén wrote:

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On 2021-04-02 05:07, Ben T. Fender wrote:

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'ole composter is the ONLY word processor I'm interested in been using it but the last zypper dup took it out somehow

if subject == april fools' day joke rofl && move on else is there a seamonkey 3.5?

No, it is a typo. Last version is 2.53.7, but TW has none, it is gone.

https://software.opensuse.org/package/seamonkey

Nor a joke, the question popped on Usenet and he was told to request it here. -- Vojtěch Zeisek https://trapa.cz/

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On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 09:53:13 +0200 Bengt Gördén wrote:

On 2021-04-02 05:07, Ben T. Fender wrote:

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'ole composter is the ONLY word processor I'm interested in

been using it but the last zypper dup took it out somehow

if subject == april fools' day joke rofl && move on else

no joke, the old composter's been my wp for over 20 years

is there a seamonkey 3.5?

typo

On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 14:07:51 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

On 02/04/2021 13.59, Ben T. Fender wrote:

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On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 09:53:13 +0200 Bengt Gördén <> wrote:

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On 2021-04-02 05:07, Ben T. Fender wrote:

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'ole composter is the ONLY word processor I'm interested in

been using it but the last zypper dup took it out somehow

if subject == april fools' day joke rofl && move on else

no joke, the old composter's been my wp for over 20 years

I have never used Seamonkey composer as word processor. Only when for some reason I wanted to write html files. Like for simple web pages.

I'm illiterate, only need enough for simple notes and simple web pages -- Ain't but five things in life worth fighting for, namely these four: sex, loot, and the freedom to pursue high ideals!

On 03/04/2021 02.15, Ben T. Fender wrote:

On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 07:59:55 -0400 "Ben T. Fender" <> wrote:

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On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 09:53:13 +0200 Bengt Gördén <> wrote:

while on this, WHY is zypper just removing packages that i didn't ask it to remove and which are not in the way of anything else?

I had a perfectly working copy of Seamonkey, did a zypper dup and it was GONE.

Just now I had a perfectly good copy of Opera, did a zypper dup and it's GONE.

That's how it is supposed to work. You can lock a package to keep it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Hello, Am Samstag, 3. April 2021, 03:37:37 CEST schrieb Carlos E.R.:

By the way, there are methods to recover "archive" versions of those packages for some time.

https://download.opensuse.org/history/ keeps about a month of previous Tumbleweed releases.

But I have a suspicion that those packages were removed because there is some thing that is missing or not supported.

I you look at the build page, build of seamonkey has been disabled, so something happened, I guess.

More info I don't know how to find.

osc log is always helpful, you can use -D for looking at deleted packages: # osc log -D openSUSE:Factory seamonkey |head -n5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- r134 | dimstar_suse | 2019-10-22 13:42:20 | 806e391ca95ce6e86f5cc629d63fadfa | 2.49.4 | rq741352 seamonkey cannot be considered maintained upstream well enough anymore. Last release was in Sep 2019 but the platform code is based on Gecko 52.9.0 released June 2018. It does not build for TW and even if we can fix it it cannot be considered secure enough to be used anymore. If possible I will provide updates in the mozilla repo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regards, Christian Boltz -- Ich freue mich auf das Eröffnungsspiel Deutschland gegen Costa Rica. Auf der einen Seite eine Bananenrepublik und auf der anderen Seite: Costa Rica. [Thomas Gottschalk, Wetten dass...?, 10.12.2005]

On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 23:47:32 +0200 "Carlos E.R." wrote:

On 04/04/2021 16.49, Christian Boltz wrote:

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Hello,

seamonkey cannot be considered maintained upstream well enough anymore. Last release was in Sep 2019 but the platform code is based on Gecko 52.9.0 released June 2018. It does not build for TW and even if we can fix it it cannot be considered secure enough to be used anymore. If possible I will provide updates in the mozilla repo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

A nice explanation of what the problems are was posted by one of the maintainers on "nntp:alt.os.linux.suse". I asked him to also post that information in this thread, or give me permission to forward it here.

So what else is there between nedit & composter that runs on Tumbleweed?

On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 21:39:52 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:

Not secured or maintained is an opinion that differs from that of its maintainers and developers. Undoing FF regressions keeps them busy most of the time, yet they manage to include security fixes. Official latest is 2.53.7. I still use 2.49.5 more than all other browsers combined, including SM 2.53.7 Chromium, Palemoon, Falkon and a bunch of Firefox releases.

If SM Composer floats your boat, I can't think of any reason not to use it, regardless which version or where you get it from.

That's good to know, hope it works out that way cause at 77 I'd hate to have to learn another one. So my 2.53.7 unpacked into a 'seamonkey' folder that has an executable 'seamonkey'. Just clicking it runs the program if it's still in its upacked folder but I think that's not the way to use it. How do I install the package, by running the 'updater'? And how do I then run it, by launching run-mozilla.sh? I can follow instructions but there aren't any :-)

i need the suse tw rpm On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 12:07:36 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:

Ben T. Fender composed on 2021-04-01 23:07 (UTC-0400):

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been using it but the last zypper dup took it out somehow

Any version you want here: https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/

I've been getting my SM directly from mozilla.org since before v1.0 release. I'm currently using both 2.49.5 and 2.53.7. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science.

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On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 20:40:20 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:

Ben T. Fender composed on 2021-04-02 20:08 (UTC-0400):

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Any version you want here: https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/

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I've been getting my SM directly from mozilla.org since before v1.0 release. I'm currently using both 2.49.5 and 2.53.7.

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i need the suse tw rpm

For what reason(s)? Other than their packaging methods, how are they distinguishable?

I downloaded a 'precompiled biary' zip package expecting an executable seamonkey but all that was in it was a js and 3 *.so's then I downloaded a source package counting on the 'once usual' ./configue__make__make install but it bombed on the make attempt. That's when I pulled the plug, I have neither time nor interest to be more involved :-) -- I can only shake my head in disbelief whenever I hear creationists arguing with evolutionists. I'd sooner be a man descendant of a monkey possibly created by a Creator then be one of these, monkey descendants of man.

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On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 23:56:02 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:

Ben T. Fender composed on 2021-04-02 23:27 (UTC-0400):

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For what reason(s)? Other than their packaging methods, how are they distinguishable?

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I downloaded a 'precompiled biary' zip package expecting an executable seamonkey but all that was in it was a js and 3 *.so's

Sounds like you downloaded the wrong file, type .zip. The correct file is a .bz2: https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.53.7/linux-x86_64/en-US... en_US version 51MB

This is a / directory listing of what I extracted from it: -rw-r--r-- 1 628 Mar 27 10:52 application.ini -rw-r--r-- 1 262557 Feb 17 2020 blocklist.xml drwxr-xr-x 3 1024 Mar 27 11:05 chrome -rw-r--r-- 1 0 Mar 27 11:05 chrome.manifest -rwxr-xr-x 1 291040 Mar 27 11:06 crashreporter -rw-r--r-- 1 4003 Feb 17 2020 crashreporter.ini -rw-r--r-- 1 787 Feb 17 2020 crashreporter-override.ini drwxr-xr-x 5 1024 Mar 27 11:05 defaults -rw-r--r-- 1 198 Mar 27 11:04 dependentlibs.list drwxr-xr-x 2 1024 Mar 27 11:06 dictionaries drwxr-xr-x 2 1024 Mar 27 11:06 extensions drwxr-xr-x 2 1024 Mar 27 11:06 fonts drwxr-xr-x 2 1024 Mar 27 11:06 gtk2 drwxr-xr-x 2 1024 Mar 27 11:06 icons drwxr-xr-x 2 1024 Mar 27 11:06 isp -rw-r--r-- 1 899 Mar 27 11:06 libfreeblpriv3.chk -rwxr-xr-x 1 592272 Mar 27 11:06 libfreeblpriv3.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 221552 Mar 27 11:06 libldap60.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 14280 Mar 27 11:06 libldif60.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 39184 Mar 27 11:06 liblgpllibs.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 1794544 Mar 27 11:06 libmozavcodec.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 220880 Mar 27 11:06 libmozavutil.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 5936 Mar 27 11:06 libmozgtk.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 200112 Mar 27 11:06 libmozsandbox.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 913496 Mar 27 11:06 libmozsqlite3.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 236552 Mar 27 11:06 libnspr4.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 648296 Mar 27 11:06 libnss3.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 474736 Mar 27 11:06 libnssckbi.so -rw-r--r-- 1 899 Mar 27 11:06 libnssdbm3.chk -rwxr-xr-x 1 134072 Mar 27 11:06 libnssdbm3.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 179792 Mar 27 11:06 libnssutil3.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 18704 Mar 27 11:06 libplc4.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 14512 Mar 27 11:06 libplds4.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 22960 Mar 27 11:06 libprldap60.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 160424 Mar 27 11:06 libsmime3.so -rw-r--r-- 1 899 Mar 27 11:06 libsoftokn3.chk -rwxr-xr-x 1 289264 Mar 27 11:06 libsoftokn3.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 353616 Mar 27 11:06 libssl3.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 98652464 Mar 27 11:06 libxul.so -rw-r--r-- 1 16726 Feb 17 2020 license.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 885040 Mar 27 11:06 minidump-analyzer -rw-r--r-- 1 48313469 Mar 27 11:06 omni.ja -rwxr-xr-x 1 277520 Mar 27 11:06 pingsender -rw-r--r-- 1 150 Mar 27 11:04 platform.ini -rwxr-xr-x 1 257264 Mar 27 11:06 plugin-container -rw-r--r-- 1 4849 Mar 27 11:06 precomplete -rw-r--r-- 1 32904 Mar 27 11:06 removed-files -rwxr-xr-x 1 8782 Feb 17 2020 run-mozilla.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 199696 Mar 27 11:06 seamonkey -rwxr-xr-x 1 199696 Mar 27 11:06 seamonkey-bin -rw-r--r-- 1 825 Feb 17 2020 Throbber-small.gif -rwxr-xr-x 1 77824 Mar 27 11:06 updater -rw-r--r-- 1 347 Mar 27 11:05 updater.ini -rw-r--r-- 1 131 Mar 27 11:04 update-settings.ini

I'm running it now.

Thanks, i was pissing on the wrong tree... I'll be on my laptop until tonight and an older SM version is still running (I guess until I zypper it) Unpacked the above for a look-see and clicked on seamonkey which launched the 2.53.7 composter just like that Shouldn't I click the updater instead, there being a lot more than just a binary (no instructions)? -- Stars are candles in the forest. They are part of what we see in the universe; the other parts are the trees that may prevent us from seeing either.

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Ben T. Fender composed on 2021-04-03 08:51 (UTC-0400):

On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 23:56:02 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: ...

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The correct file is a .bz2: https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.53.7/linux-x86_64/en-US... ... I'll be on my laptop until tonight and an older SM version is still running (I guess until I zypper it)

zypper al seamonkey will lock it in place, plus any of its dependencies.

Shouldn't I click the updater instead, there being a lot more than just a binary (no instructions)?

Instructions come from the same place as the .bz2: https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.53.7/linux-x86_64/en-US... You have the latest version AFAIK, so there would be nothing for the updater to do, besides read the instructions. Maybe read https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/ and/or http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ too. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

pj.world composed on 2021-04-03 23:01 (UTC+0200):

I would like to ask what is the use of the following: https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.53.7/linux-x86_64/en-US... Is this some sort of bookmark? I have been following this thread.

Someone on irc://freenode/seamonkey can probably answer this. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 14:58:35 +0200 Tristan Miller wrote:

Greetings.

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 23:07:58 -0400, "Ben T. Fender" wrote:

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'ole composter is the ONLY word processor I'm interested in

been using it but the last zypper dup took it out somehow

I'm one of the maintainers of the SeaMonkey package for openSUSE. Unfortunately, in SeaMonkey 2.53.6 the build system changed in a way that broke the scripts used by many packagers (not just for openSUSE but other distributions as well). I spent a long time trying to get things to work again back in January but was unsuccessful; I also reached out to the other package maintainer but received no response.

In February I was contacted by the SeaMonkey packager for Fedora, who seems to have figured out how to get his own RPMs to build again, and shared some advice and a new Makefile. Unfortunately, due to real life commitments I haven't yet been able to look into these yet. I expect I'll be able to do this starting in mid-April.

In the meantime, if anyone else wants to give things a shot, you can discuss your results at the bug I've raised for this issue [1] or you can just download and run the official binaries [2] which is the workaround I'm using. In any case, you might want to CC yourself on that bug as that way you'll be notified when it's fixed.

Regards, Tristan

I sympathize with the real life commitments bit :-) have a few myself, looking at a major aneurysm operation on the horizon but just knowing that the composter isn't about to set in the west is plenty enough for me. I appreciate the detailed response. -- In computerese we would say that boys are more object whereas girls more process oriented; summa summarum, to a question like "would you like to interface?" it would not be wise to answer "I want to access your mainframe".

Greetings. On 13/04/2021 11.33, Tristan Miller wrote:

SeaMonkey 2.53.5.1 packages are now building again for Tumbleweed (except for i586 builds, which weren't working anyway). I'll look at updating the packages to the current SeaMonkey 2.53.7 later this week, though this may take a while due to my having to figure out the new build system and/or adapt the new Makefile from Fedora.

SeaMonkey 2.53.6 packages are now available for openSUSE 15.x and openSUSE Tumbleweed (including both i586 and x86_64). The only issue seems to be that debugsource builds are no longer working, though I'm looking into solving this. I will work on getting 2.53.7 and 2.53.7.1 RPMs out next week. Regards, Tristan -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tristan Miller Free Software developer, ferret herder, logologist https://logological.org/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-