Dňa Tuesday 02 September 2008 10:55:31 Benji Weber ste napísal:
2008/9/2 Stanislav Visnovsky <visnov@suse.cz>:
4- zypper dup It looks at vendor strings and doesn't changes between vendors, but it ignores repository priorities. Not a big problem right now, but I would like to have a fix for 11.0 before people starts updating to 11.1.
Well, zypper dup is not a "official" way to upgrade from 11.0 to 11.1. You might be lucky, but that's it (but if it does not work, it is always interesting to hear about that, so we can try to fix the issue).
I think this is a problem. I do not think that online upgrades need to be officially supported, but the lack of official support is always used as an excuse to not even attempt to get it to work every single release.
From my perspective, if something is not officially supported, a user can expect just best effort to resolve the issue. For me, if upgrade by booting from DVD does not work, this has way higher priority than 'zypper dup' failing. IMO we have 'zypper dup' in the system available for the 2nd time now (10.3 -> 11.0, 11.0 -> 11.1). Let's see how following factory via zypper works for the hard core factory users and then we can reopen the discussion if we should recommend the process for all users.
People are put off from running openSUSE on servers by being told that it's not possible to upgrade between versions remotely even when it is, and they are put off when it requires expert knowledge to do it. It basically means that openSUSE is not an option to run on a server without physical access. All the other major distributions manage to provide working online upgrades, even if they are not recommended or supported, is openSUSE's package management so inferior? ;)
The problem is not in the stack, but in the system itself - see other comments on this on opensuse-factory. Every package has to be able to ugrade itself in a running system the way the system does not crash. Should we claim "we can do it" even if there is a large set of cases where this will fail? I'm not contradicting myself, I'm just less optimistic we will be able to workaround all problems. Stano -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-softwaremgmt+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-softwaremgmt+help@opensuse.org