Hi, you must have heard or you are one of the people complaining about the unintuitivness of 'zypper up' and 'zypper lu'. It deafults to patches (-t patch) and if you want to update package-wise, you need to add '-t package' to the command. There is a good reason for the patch as the default: people using the official release repositories and the official update repository need no more than 'zypper up' to keep their systems patched with security and other important fixes. But a lot of people also use other repositories and also want to do the updates package-wise (according to available versions of packages). Currently they have to use 'zypper up -t package'. Which is really not straightforward. (plus there are some issues with this command for which i will start a separate thread here). There were a few suggestions how to solve this. 1) use different commands for patch updates and package updates e.g. update (up) - do package-wise update list-updates(lu) - list available package udpates patch-update (pu) - do patch-wise update patch-list (pl) - list needed patches (note that we already have 'patches' command which lists _all_ available patches. We could also add an --needed option to this command to limit the list to needed patches only, instead of creating another command. 2) make -t package the default 3) make lu/up use both '-t package -t patch' 4) live with status quo Speaking for myself, i really like #1. Any other ideas? Votes? --------------------- Oh, and there is also 'zypper up $packagename'. This currently wants to install $packagename patch. To update the package, you have to do 'zypper up -t package $packagename'. Again, solution #1 from above would solve also this. But here is also question whether 'zypper patch-update foo' should install the patch named foo or install a patch for package foo. I'd vote for the latter. I think that's it for this issue. cheers, jano https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=385990 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=404430 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=395480 + many more -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-softwaremgmt+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-softwaremgmt+help@opensuse.org