Hello, is it just my impression or is the amount of off-topic postings increasing? This is not the suse-highendusers/suse-netadmin mailinglist, it's suse-security. Ciao Jörg -- Jörg Mayer <jmayer@loplof.de> Signature fault, brain dumped
Am Son, 2002-05-05 um 12.27 schrieb Jörg Mayer:
Hello,
is it just my impression or is the amount of off-topic postings increasing?
If you ask this way, my answer is _no_ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Name some postings and there could be a discussion. Just writing 'is it just my impression ...' is in my opinion the badest way to express yourself and your problem. So post your topten off topic postings an i'll see if i could get along with you or tell you, why i'm not. so if you've got a problem with something, name it. if you can/would not name it, shut the **** up. by the way, my top off topic posting: your mail !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mfg alex -- I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you are free
On Sun, 5 May 2002, Jörg Mayer wrote:
Not just your impression. The volume on the open discussion lists is horrible, consequently the highend-users seem to stay away from them - but still need fora to get help in occasionally. And we all need to be on suse-security anyway... Bjørn -- Bjørn Tore Sund Phone: (+47) 555-84894 Stupidity is like a System administrator Fax: (+47) 555-89672 fractal; universal and Math. Department Mobile: (+47) 918 68075 infinitely repetitive. University of Bergen VIP: 81724 teknisk@mi.uib.no Email: bjornts@mi.uib.no http://www.mi.uib.no/
* Bjorn Tore Sund (bjornts@mi.uib.no) [020506 02:19]:
Not just your impression.
I really don't know what to do about it. The obvious solution of making the list moderated seems difficult because of the time demands (we'd need at least one moderator in North America and Europe). The last time this came up Peter Nixon (I think it was Peter anyway) suggested getting 10-20 non-SuSE people to help with the moderation; I think I blew it off at the time for some silly reason but the more I think about the I think it's brilliant. When draht gets back from his vacation (towards the end of May) I'll see what he thinks about it as he really has the final say in these sorts of matters. In the meantime, maybe think about whether you'd be willing to be a moderator. If so, let me know privately so I can get a rough idea of the interest in something like this. -- -ckm
Christopher Mahmood wrote:
I've noticed that most of the OT traffic has to do with admin-type problems like setting up mail, using the Suse admin tools, etc. Would it be possible for Suse to setup a new list like "suse-admin" that would be a resource for non-security administrative questions? suse-linux-e is just to busy and full of "desktop-related" chit-chat, and the rest of the lists don't seem to apply. That way, when someone is OT, we can just say "Please post to suse-admin" instead of "This list is for security, bug off." --Jeremy
There is an under-utilised list called LinuxManagers, housed at http://www.linuxmanagers.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxmanagers This is for general Linux management questions (not just SuSE) but it has much less traffic than SuSE-security. It is much more efficient in terms of bandwidth because the protocol is that responses are sent to the sender who then summarises for the list. There is a Tru64 equivalent which is brilliant, and I believe there is a Solaris one too. So we could direct straying newbies there, and maybe the SuSE mailing list page should include an advert too. The problem with another SuSE list is that many questions are not tied to a particular distribution. Bob On Tue, 7 May 2002, Jeremy Buchmann wrote:
============================================================== Bob Vickers R.Vickers@cs.rhul.ac.uk Dept of Computer Science, Royal Holloway, University of London WWW: http://www.cs.rhul.ac.uk/home/bobv Phone: +44 1784 443691
It would seem to me that there should be an OT list, and all and any OT traffic gets diverted there. A summary of the diversions could be posted once a week on the host list (suse-security in this case); that way, people could keep track of whats going on, and the OT list could breed its own lists. - Roger - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Buchmann" <jeremy@wellsgaming.com> To: <suse-security@suse.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [suse-security] OT Postings
* Roger C Haslock (roger@haslock.com) [020508 04:57]:
It would seem to me that there should be an OT list, and all and any OT traffic gets diverted there.
That's sort of what suse-linux-e, suse-linux-s, and suse-linux are supposed to be. That's also one of the reasons they generate hundreds of posts per day I think.
Interesting. The qmail lists have something similar--the open qmail list that has many of the same problems as this list and a "best of qmail" list that is either moderated or filtered somehow (I'm not sure what). -- -ckm
* Jeremy Buchmann (jeremy@wellsgaming.com) [020507 09:33]:
We created a suse-kde a few weeks ago to try to cut down on that sort of stuff on suse-linux-e. I mean, other than admin types of questions (including installation) the rest of the traffic on that list is just ranting and advocacy type stuff. I think it's well within the bounds of politeness to flame posters on this list for posting off topic things or FAQs...I don't feel comfortable doing that since I'm writing from a suse.com address but that shouldn't stop you :) -- -ckm
Am Son, 2002-05-05 um 12.27 schrieb Jörg Mayer:
Hello,
is it just my impression or is the amount of off-topic postings increasing?
If you ask this way, my answer is _no_ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Name some postings and there could be a discussion. Just writing 'is it just my impression ...' is in my opinion the badest way to express yourself and your problem. So post your topten off topic postings an i'll see if i could get along with you or tell you, why i'm not. so if you've got a problem with something, name it. if you can/would not name it, shut the **** up. by the way, my top off topic posting: your mail !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mfg alex -- I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you are free
On Sun, 5 May 2002, Jörg Mayer wrote:
Not just your impression. The volume on the open discussion lists is horrible, consequently the highend-users seem to stay away from them - but still need fora to get help in occasionally. And we all need to be on suse-security anyway... Bjørn -- Bjørn Tore Sund Phone: (+47) 555-84894 Stupidity is like a System administrator Fax: (+47) 555-89672 fractal; universal and Math. Department Mobile: (+47) 918 68075 infinitely repetitive. University of Bergen VIP: 81724 teknisk@mi.uib.no Email: bjornts@mi.uib.no http://www.mi.uib.no/
* Bjorn Tore Sund (bjornts@mi.uib.no) [020506 02:19]:
Not just your impression.
I really don't know what to do about it. The obvious solution of making the list moderated seems difficult because of the time demands (we'd need at least one moderator in North America and Europe). The last time this came up Peter Nixon (I think it was Peter anyway) suggested getting 10-20 non-SuSE people to help with the moderation; I think I blew it off at the time for some silly reason but the more I think about the I think it's brilliant. When draht gets back from his vacation (towards the end of May) I'll see what he thinks about it as he really has the final say in these sorts of matters. In the meantime, maybe think about whether you'd be willing to be a moderator. If so, let me know privately so I can get a rough idea of the interest in something like this. -- -ckm
Christopher Mahmood wrote:
I've noticed that most of the OT traffic has to do with admin-type problems like setting up mail, using the Suse admin tools, etc. Would it be possible for Suse to setup a new list like "suse-admin" that would be a resource for non-security administrative questions? suse-linux-e is just to busy and full of "desktop-related" chit-chat, and the rest of the lists don't seem to apply. That way, when someone is OT, we can just say "Please post to suse-admin" instead of "This list is for security, bug off." --Jeremy
There is an under-utilised list called LinuxManagers, housed at http://www.linuxmanagers.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxmanagers This is for general Linux management questions (not just SuSE) but it has much less traffic than SuSE-security. It is much more efficient in terms of bandwidth because the protocol is that responses are sent to the sender who then summarises for the list. There is a Tru64 equivalent which is brilliant, and I believe there is a Solaris one too. So we could direct straying newbies there, and maybe the SuSE mailing list page should include an advert too. The problem with another SuSE list is that many questions are not tied to a particular distribution. Bob On Tue, 7 May 2002, Jeremy Buchmann wrote:
============================================================== Bob Vickers R.Vickers@cs.rhul.ac.uk Dept of Computer Science, Royal Holloway, University of London WWW: http://www.cs.rhul.ac.uk/home/bobv Phone: +44 1784 443691
It would seem to me that there should be an OT list, and all and any OT traffic gets diverted there. A summary of the diversions could be posted once a week on the host list (suse-security in this case); that way, people could keep track of whats going on, and the OT list could breed its own lists. - Roger - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Buchmann" <jeremy@wellsgaming.com> To: <suse-security@suse.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [suse-security] OT Postings
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