Hi Klaus, --- Klaus Kaempf wrote:

* Bryan Smith [Feb 21. 2003 18:40]:

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I have two 8.1 boxes and one 8.0 box. YOU on 8.1 does not

want to work

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correctly. I've looked on the downloads/updates/patches site and manually updated the yast2 packages for YOU. However, this still doesn't seem to fix the error of hanging while "Initiallizing for HTTP/FTP..."

edit /etc/wgetrc and set "passive_ftp = on"

Is this a hint, a workaround OR the official solution/recommendation? Thanks Eduard P.S. BTW, congratulations to SuSE - on IDF AMD was demonstrating their Athlon 64 running Unreal Tournament 2003 on a 64bit SuSE!!! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Richard Ibbotson wrote:

Hi

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edit /etc/wgetrc and set "passive_ftp = on"

Is this a hint, a workaround OR the official solution/recommendation?

Pardon me for being to slow to wake up but... I've reproduced the same thing here. YaST2 breaks up and all kinds of error messages begin to appear all over the console. Adding the line "passive_ftp=on" doesn't make a difference. Still doesn't download the updates. Maybe I need to re-start something ?

Is there a fix for this ?

I've also experienced YOU locking up at the 'initializing for ftp/http...' message. No error messages, no crash. Task locked up - I have to kill it 20 minutes later when I'm convinced its going nowhere. This behaviour began several months ago, after one or two successful YOU updates. Was there a broken YOU update published at some point? I see the following patch was applied: /var/lib/YaST2/you/i386/update/8.1/rpm/i586/yast2-online-update-2.6.14-0.i586.patch.rpm -- Rick Green "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

Lars <Lars>> $ rpm -q yast2-online-update <Lars>> yast2-online-update-2.6.14-0 Hmm.. mine says.. yast2-online-update-2.6.12-10. Maybe this is the problem ? <Lars >>what kind of error messages?? Umm.. problem with asking this is that they scroll down the screen very quickly and I can't see what's happening. If there's a log somewhere I might be able to have a look in there. -- Thanks Richard

On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 04:05:33PM +0000, Richard Ibbotson wrote:

Well, installing and running fou4s version 0.8.0 downloads the yast2-online-update-2.6.14-0 RPM. I now find that YaST2 no longer breaks up on the console but stands still.

as I said, it is working for me without problems. with and without firewall.

Analysis of ftp traffic suggests that nothing is happening. As if waiitng for an anser from a server.

you are sure about your proxy and passive_ftp settings?

this gets OFF TOPIC On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 06:46:22PM +0000, Richard Ibbotson wrote:

I think this may be the reason why I am coming up with stupid answers....

/root/.wgetrc

proxy_user= proxy_passwd= passive_ftp=on

What are the top two lines that make it work ? Can't find any man pages or docs for this.

in case you use a proxy (check environment variables http_proxy and ftp_proxy), you may need to authenticate against that. if you do not know, you probably don't use one. so just ignore.

Hi Friends YOU on SuSE 8.1 is working very fine for me since past 6 months on an Analog 28.8 KBPS connection and also on Digital 64KBPS ISDN Connection, both dialups. In the night I leave office with yast online_update .auto.get and yast_online_update .auto.install and find the whole thing patched in the morning. And also since I have configured the dial-up so after download of pacthes the net connections stops. So that proves YOU is not buggy in 8.1 -- Amit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ibbotson" To: Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: [suse-security] Re: YOU on SuSE 8.1

Lars

<Lars>> $ rpm -q yast2-online-update <Lars>> yast2-online-update-2.6.14-0

Hmm.. mine says.. yast2-online-update-2.6.12-10. Maybe this is the problem ?

<Lars >>what kind of error messages??

Umm.. problem with asking this is that they scroll down the screen very quickly and I can't see what's happening. If there's a log somewhere I might be able to have a look in there.

-- Thanks

Richard

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Half an hour is "normal" on my AMD Athlon750/128MB RAM/20GB HDD for YOU to build this list ... With iptraf I see *lots* of connections to the ftp server, which are only used shortly, then the next connection is going on for a while, and so on, very slow motion ... Philipp acidrein schrieb:

20 minutes? YOU takes *over an hour* to create a patch list on my old Armada notebook. There's no hint YOU is working, just that silly "initializing for ftp/http update" message.

Michael

Rick Green wrote:

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On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Richard Ibbotson wrote:

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Hi

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edit /etc/wgetrc and set "passive_ftp = on"

Is this a hint, a workaround OR the official solution/recommendation?

Pardon me for being to slow to wake up but... I've reproduced the same thing here. YaST2 breaks up and all kinds of error messages begin to appear all over the console. Adding the line "passive_ftp=on" doesn't make a difference. Still doesn't download the updates. Maybe I need to re-start something ?

Is there a fix for this ?

I've also experienced YOU locking up at the 'initializing for ftp/http...' message. No error messages, no crash. Task locked up - I have to kill it 20 minutes later when I'm convinced its going nowhere. This behaviour began several months ago, after one or two successful YOU updates. Was there a broken YOU update published at some point?

I see the following patch was applied: /var/lib/YaST2/you/i386/update/8.1/rpm/i586/yast2-online-update-2.6.14-0.i586.patch.rpm

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* Bryan Smith [Feb 21. 2003 18:40]:

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doesn't seem to fix the error of hanging while "Initiallizing for HTTP/FTP..."

maybe you did not wait long enough? YOU is not that fast sometimes ... check whether there is ftp traffic going on tcpdump -evX port 21 host

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edit /etc/wgetrc and set "passive_ftp = on"

Is this a hint, a workaround OR the official solution/recommendation?

more a hint/recommendation if you run behind a firewall. if you YOU as root, /root/.wgetrc may be the plave to put it.

Pardon me for being to slow to wake up but... I've reproduced the same thing here. YaST2 breaks up and all kinds of error messages begin to appear all over the console. Adding the line "passive_ftp=on" what kind of error messages??

doesn't make a difference. Still doesn't download the updates. hm.

Lars

Just want to thank everyone for their responses. I was kind of expecting that many people were having the same issues. I've switched over to fou4s and its working just great. -Bryan Manfred Rebentisch wrote:

YOU does work on all PCs I know only with 8.0, never bevor and not in 8.1. I use fou4s. Manfred Rebentisch

Am Freitag, 21. Februar 2003 18:40 schrieb Bryan Smith:

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This may or may not be the list, but I'm sure everyone has gone through this.

I have two 8.1 boxes and one 8.0 box. YOU on 8.1 does not want to work correctly. I've looked on the downloads/updates/patches site and manually updated the yast2 packages for YOU. However, this still doesn't seem to fix the error of hanging while "Initiallizing for HTTP/FTP..."

Is this something to just live with or has someone worked past this issue?

Thanks,

-Bryan

--- Lars Ellenberg wrote:

On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 09:20:14PM +0100, Manfred Rebentisch wrote:

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YOU does work on all PCs I know only with 8.0, never bevor and not in 8.1. see below

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I use fou4s. I'm sure happy about that :)

It seems that fou4s does the job better then YOU. Are there any ideas, like: 1. Including fou4s in the distribution 2. Merging fou4s into YOU 3. Replacing YOU by fou4s Cheers Eduard __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:01:52 +0000 Graham Murray wrote: |timo writes: | |> Could it depend on how you are connected to Internet, ie. does it get |> proper access to sites such as ftp.leo.org or whatever are configured |> for onlineupdate? | |I think it (also) depends on which mirror you select. YaST was |pre-selecting leo.org but it was taking an exceptionally long time to |bring up the list of patches. Manually selecting gwdg.de improved the |speed considerably. | I have same problems for a couple of months ago, since I discovered fou4s all work fine, but I change for trying /etc/wgetrc and set passive_fto to on as Klaus Kaempf told and no more probles with YOU, also using leo.org it's took less than 4 minutes to d/l and install 2 selected patches, over a 64 Kbits cablemodem connection. Also I'm still working with fou4s over 8.1 and trying it over SLES 8 and OpenExchange 4 with good results in both cases. -- Jorge D. Buchmann | jbuchmann@intraredes.com | intraRedes S.R.L. | http://www.intraredes.com

On Monday 24 February 2003 10:04 pm, Roman Drahtmueller wrote:

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|> Could it depend on how you are connected to Internet, ie. does it |> get proper access to sites such as ftp.leo.org or whatever are |> configured for onlineupdate? | |I think it (also) depends on which mirror you select. YaST was |pre-selecting leo.org but it was taking an exceptionally long time to |bring up the list of patches. Manually selecting gwdg.de improved the |speed considerably.

I have same problems for a couple of months ago, since I discovered fou4s all work fine, but I change for trying /etc/wgetrc and set passive_fto to on as Klaus Kaempf told and no more probles with YOU, also using leo.org it's took less than 4 minutes to d/l and install 2 selected patches, over a 64 Kbits cablemodem connection.

Also I'm still working with fou4s over 8.1 and trying it over SLES 8 and OpenExchange 4 with good results in both cases.

I have changed our "URL Multiplexer (tm :-)" to give http URLs instead of ftp URLs for 8.1 and up users earlier on Monday. That should speed up things tremendously.

Roman.

WOW! Now that's more like it! Thanks for tweaking the URL Multiplexer for us. Any chance of adding a progress bar and/or an elapsed time indicator for YOU? THANKS! Stan

This is probably starting to drift OT ... But I just have one little thing to add about YOU and update related issues. One thing SuSE really needs to work on is getting a couple of more (high speed) mirrors up with all their updates. Whenever a new patch or update is released then it can be virtually impossible to get it downloaded using YOU because the (few) mirrors that have the latest updates are so incredibly slow. But other than that I like SuSE a lot ... especially for when used for the desktop. -Claus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roman Drahtmueller" To: "Stan Glasoe" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [suse-security] YOU on SuSE 8.1

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WOW! Now that's more like it! Thanks for tweaking the URL Multiplexer

for

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us.

Any chance of adding a progress bar and/or an elapsed time indicator for YOU?

It's not so easy... Basically, you need to know how much time it will take. If there are only 5 patches there, you can't do any reasonable estimate. With 50, you might be able to do so after 10, but still, it doesn't buy you much.

8.2 will have a lot of work done on YOU again.

Roman.

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** Reply to message from Roman Drahtmueller on Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:11:06 +0100 (MET)

8.2 will have a lot of work done on YOU again.

ooooh Roman, The magic words ..... <VBG> Sometime in the Fall or the Jan/Feb time slot for the more major releases ??? I hope there will be better firewire support, as happened w/ USB in 8.1 .. Hint, hint, nudge, nudge <G> -- j afterthought: dups