-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello list, Security and linux is a very new theme for me. Last time a read a german written article of Microsoft about linux versus windows systems (security, costs, firewalls, ..). Now I want some feedbacks/arguments of interested professional linux users and their experience maybe in companies versus the Microsoft opinion in this *.pdf (1,4MB) file. Link: http://plexus.shacknet.nu/downz/linux_partner_brosch.pdf It would be nice to get some answers. thx, Seb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+lI1RQRovhFz5PwURAgBKAJ47D+cnUmsc1wSlhzIhjcUxSp22oACeNXDb /Ql4dZKJQabNCQsV7JD2BCQ= =8uWL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Apr 9, S.L.
Security and linux is a very new theme for me. Last time a read a german written article of Microsoft about linux versus windows systems (security, costs, firewalls, ..). Now I want some feedbacks/arguments of interested professional linux users and their experience maybe in companies versus the Microsoft opinion in this *.pdf (1,4MB) file.
Link: http://plexus.shacknet.nu/downz/linux_partner_brosch.pdf One should better not read that FUD.
But to say a few words: * There is no support Many companies are now specialised on linux support. You could buy a SuSE Linux Enterprise Server with appropriate support. I don't think they are more expensive than any Windows option. Support from the community, although entitled "not reliable" is still _top_ and can be counted on. * Bad patch management For SuSE: fou4s.gaugusch.at (fast online update for suse). * No certifications for Linux Oracle and many other products are certificated for SuSE and other server products. (And you can also use them on non-certified box-products) * Backup There are many commercial and non-commercial backup solutions (Arkeia, Amanda, ...), even with graphical (windows-) frontends. * Complexity Boxed Linux products like SuSE have many helpers (YaST), but still give you the flexibility to fix things yourself (easy text files). Windows has the same strategy, but instead of text files there is the registry, which is much harder to comprehend and has no place for informational comments, etc. * Central Management Is one of the key features of linux. Never leave your desktop again to access a remote machine. A final word: If you are willing to learn Linux (read docs, etc.), the satisfaction will be much higher than with any microsoft product. And your effort and energy will help the linux-community to get further. Markus -- __________________ /"\ Markus Gaugusch \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign markus@gaugusch.at X Against HTML Mail / \
Hi,
http://plexus.shacknet.nu/downz/linux_partner_brosch.pdf One should better not read that FUD.
i agree! but why should we worry? The kind of statements given in that - ehm - paper (?) reminds me to Al-Sahaf (Mr. Saddams spokesmen - Minister for propaganda or something like that in Iraq) - they´re only frightened, because they know that they are bound to disappear... I am working with windows as well as with linux and apple, and I have to say that Windows 98 / 2000 / XP are the most rotten systems I ever saw... greetings -- http://www.ruebenschweine.de Try also: http://www.warzenpower.de +++ http://www.lars-und-sandra.de +++ http://www.r100rt.de Diese email wurde automatisch generiert, Sie können deshalb nicht darauf antworten; webmaster@warzenpower.de
In my personal experience,and humble opinion: Linux is harder to install ,although the big distros are making it a lot ea= sier. Windows is easier to install. Everything goes by itself,not always the best= way. On the other hand ones you've setup your linux-box , it takes almost no eff= ort to keep it running. While in Windows the problems begin;Blue screens, dll errors, ... One advantage for linux is : configurable. Everything can be made to act like you want it to. =20 greets Ken -- plz sign my key: gpg/pgp fingerprint: D546 490E 66BB 70E0 CAA3 6D0D 2C8F 7D71 C84C 9401
Hi! One of the nicest quotes: [...] Was passiert zum Beispiel, wenn einige Produkte nicht mehr in" sind, Ihr Unternehmen aber darauf angewiesen ist? Dann bleibt nicht nur die Weiterentwicklung aus, sondern auch der Support bröckelt langsam ab. [...] My attempt to translate this to english: What happen if some products are not popular any longer, but your company requires these? Then these products not only are stopped in development but you won't get support any longer. Well, are we talking about Microsoft or Linux? Hello Mr Ballmer, can you help me with Windows 3.11, 95 or even NT4? My P90-Machine and my applications requires these. Have a look to Apache 1.x, MySQL 3.x, etc... although the major version of these programs increases they are still under development. But I think this is the wrong place to flame about MS... see you on Friday at heise.de :-) bye, Roland -- Aufgrund der neuen Bestimmungen zur inneren Sicherheit wurde eine Kopie dieser Mail automatisch an NSA, CIA und BND weitergeleitet ;-) Please reply to: tapken@engter.de
I spent a minute looking at my own code by accident. I was thinking "What the hell is this guy doing?"
I concur with your Statements. To elaborate on the specific point of "Windows: easy installs, Linux more difficult installs." The latter - difficult installs under Linux - is especially true if one starts with the sources (example, on CD), has no clue what a compiler is, and refuses to read any documentation. That said - I also make the following rash statements: Windows is provides a comfortable initial user experience. After this I find - it is not easily re-configurable - it is not easily extensible - annoying things like the cute "help sprites" can not easily be eliminated - designer assumptions often conflict with real requirements - there is a lot of undocumented stuff and no legal way of documenting it yourself - there is no inherent kernel protection - new installs casually overwrite system DLLs causing strange symptoms - but the new versions protect against this - so you need to install as administrator and end up overriding! - for an experienced user, the experience quickly becomes condescending - and finally ... when restarting after it froze and I had to hard-reset, it admonishes me that I should have shut the system down properly. That is truly annoying! I strongly feel that one should only have to install something once and therefore the install experience should not be over-emphasized. /Hans
"S.L."
Security and linux is a very new theme for me. Last time a read a german written article of Microsoft about linux versus windows systems (security, costs, firewalls, ..). Now I want some feedbacks/arguments of interested professional linux users and their experience maybe in companies versus the Microsoft opinion in this *.pdf (1,4MB) file.
Link: http://plexus.shacknet.nu/downz/linux_partner_brosch.pdf
It would be nice to get some answers.
Maybe, but this topic, and the answers, don't belong on the SuSE Security list. comp.os.<x>.advocacy comes to mind. -- Alan Hadsell If brute force doesn't work, you aren't using enough.
Winners don't use M$ WINDOW$, thats the advice I can give you, USE LINUX its much more fun!!! LINUX is what makes hosting providers posible to exist down here in Argentina. Greetings, Tomas E. Gayoso El mié, 09-04-2003 a las 18:14, S.L. escribió:
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Hello list,
Security and linux is a very new theme for me. Last time a read a german written article of Microsoft about linux versus windows systems (security, costs, firewalls, ..). Now I want some feedbacks/arguments of interested professional linux users and their experience maybe in companies versus the Microsoft opinion in this *.pdf (1,4MB) file.
Link: http://plexus.shacknet.nu/downz/linux_partner_brosch.pdf
It would be nice to get some answers.
thx,
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Winners don't use M$ WINDOW$, thats the advice I can give you, USE LINUX its much more fun!!!
Examples from the use of linux: Hardware: New Mouse or whatever driver needed for window environment "X" -> init 3 -> sax2 -> 30 sec. reinstallation -> init 5 && exit No reboot, no crash, no forgotten driver disks, because everything is on board! Multimedia: There are a lot of unknown media codecs for m$-player use mplayer/linux instead and have a lot of fun without the difficulties of not found codecs :-) Flexibility: 100% uptime, fast server/worksatations boottime, fast updateservice, best networkperformance, community help, error tolerant filesystems e.g. ext3, personal firewall, burning software, office software, browser, and many many more included for free, exept the licensed software bundled with the distribution
LINUX is what makes hosting providers posible to exist down here in Argentina.
My neighbour comes from there and uses linux as well :-) Philippe
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Alan Hadsell -
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Ken -
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Philippe Vogel -
Roland Tapken -
S.L. -
Tomas E. Gayoso