Hello, in the latest SUSE Security Summary Report from Feb, 18th there is mentioned that Suse patches to ClamAV 0.82. I would not suggest to install this particular update! We had installed ClamAV 0.82 last week under BSD Plattform and there were "false positives". This means ClamAV declared some E-Mails with Powerpoint attachments as Virus. There is already a newer version 0.83 at http://www.clamav.net/stable.php#pagestart where this malfunction seems to be corrected. Greetings Franz
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 09:39:48AM +0100, Franz Alt wrote:
Hello,
in the latest SUSE Security Summary Report from Feb, 18th there is mentioned that Suse patches to ClamAV 0.82.
I would not suggest to install this particular update!
We had installed ClamAV 0.82 last week under BSD Plattform and there were "false positives". This means ClamAV declared some E-Mails with Powerpoint attachments as Virus.
There is already a newer version 0.83 at http://www.clamav.net/stable.php#pagestart where this malfunction seems to be corrected.
Yes, we know. We will be releasing 0.83 too in some days. Ciao, Marcus
Hello, I have done updation last week, should I change to previous 0.82. HP -----Original Message----- From: Marcus Meissner [mailto:meissner@suse.de] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:49 PM To: Franz Alt Cc: suse-security@suse.com Subject: Re: [suse-security] ClamAV 0.82 -> 0.83 ! On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 09:39:48AM +0100, Franz Alt wrote:
Hello,
in the latest SUSE Security Summary Report from Feb, 18th there is mentioned that Suse patches to ClamAV 0.82.
I would not suggest to install this particular update!
We had installed ClamAV 0.82 last week under BSD Plattform and there were "false positives". This means ClamAV declared some E-Mails with Powerpoint attachments as Virus.
There is already a newer version 0.83 at http://www.clamav.net/stable.php#pagestart where this malfunction seems to be corrected.
Yes, we know. We will be releasing 0.83 too in some days. Ciao, Marcus
Hasan Perdana schrieb:
Hello,
I have done updation last week, should I change to previous 0.82.
HP
At least, do not automatically delete viral Messages, because there could be false positives. Because our Mailserver is not Suse-driven, I can't tell you, if a manual update to 0.83 is an option for you. You may read at the ClamAV homepage, if downgrading to 0.81 is an option.
On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 09:48 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 09:39:48AM +0100, Franz Alt wrote:
There is already a newer version 0.83 at http://www.clamav.net/stable.php#pagestart where this malfunction seems to be corrected.
Yes, we know. We will be releasing 0.83 too in some days.
Still open... is it planned for soon? Otherwise I'll have to switch to "self made" package :) thanks & regards, Olivier
On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 12:24:55PM +0100, Olivier Mueller wrote:
On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 09:48 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 09:39:48AM +0100, Franz Alt wrote:
There is already a newer version 0.83 at http://www.clamav.net/stable.php#pagestart where this malfunction seems to be corrected.
Yes, we know. We will be releasing 0.83 too in some days.
Still open... is it planned for soon? Otherwise I'll have to switch to "self made" package :)
Yes. The maintainer was on leave last week which I did not notice, but I expect updates going out mid to end of this week. Ciao, Marcus
Marcus Meissner wrote:
We will be releasing 0.83 too in some days. still ready ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/clamav/clamav-0.83/
-- Ciao Marco, registered GNU/Linux-User 313353 Keine Macht George W.Bush und seiner Junta zur Ausbeutung, Unterdrückung, Wahlbetrug, Christianisierung, Terror, Weltmacht & 'BigBrother-watching'. Für Freiheit und Demokratie, kauft keine U$-Waren!
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 07:14, Marco Maske wrote: Maske: I do not understand German, but I do have ksteak on my system. If I want the support that my US dollars makes me entitled to, I must use this list. I have no problem with the fact that it is hosted in a country other than my own. I have absolutely no problem with the person who ocassionally forgets and uses his native language on this list. However! Using this list to expouse political crap condeming the leader of a country, any country, is offensive, arrogant, out of order, uncalled for, and should be cause for being banned from this list! I fully expect that you, and all others, will refrain from posting the likes of this, now, and in the future. I also expect an apology. To me, and to all the others on this list! Angry as Hell!
Marcus Meissner wrote:
We will be releasing 0.83 too in some days.
still ready ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/clamav/clamav-0.83/
-- Ciao Marco, registered GNU/Linux-User 313353
Keine Macht George W.Bush und seiner Junta zur Ausbeutung, Unterdrückung, Wahlbetrug, Christianisierung, Terror, Weltmacht & 'BigBrother-watching'. Für Freiheit und Demokratie, kauft keine U$-Waren!
hi angry (what a nice name) calm down! it looks like you never heard of free speech! maybe you should stop to use "free" software and just have communication with business people, they are normally not allowed to have an own personal opinion. there are really big problems out there in the world, care about them! this footer line is certainly not one of them! regards, markus Angry wrote:
On Tuesday 01 March 2005 07:14, Marco Maske wrote:
However! Using this list to expouse political crap condeming the leader of a country, any country, is offensive, arrogant, out of order, uncalled for, and should be cause for being banned from this list!
I fully expect that you, and all others, will refrain from posting the likes of this, now, and in the future.
I also expect an apology. To me, and to all the others on this list!
Angry as Hell!
Marcus Meissner wrote:
We will be releasing 0.83 too in some days.
still ready ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/clamav/clamav-0.83/
-- Ciao Marco, registered GNU/Linux-User 313353
Keine Macht George W.Bush und seiner Junta zur Ausbeutung, Unterdrückung, Wahlbetrug, Christianisierung, Terror, Weltmacht & 'BigBrother-watching'. Für Freiheit und Demokratie, kauft keine U$-Waren!
On Wednesday 02 March 2005 07:05, Angry wrote:
I do not understand German, but I do have ksteak on my system. If I want the support that my US dollars makes me entitled to, I must use this list. I have no problem with the fact that it is hosted in a country other than my own. I have absolutely no problem with the person who ocassionally forgets and uses his native language on this list. However! Using this list to expouse political crap condeming the leader of a country, any country, is offensive, arrogant, out of order, uncalled for, and should be cause for being banned from this list! I fully expect that you, and all others, will refrain from posting the likes of this, now, and in the future. I also expect an apology. To me, and to all the others on this list!
You are right, his signature may be a bit silly (from a given perspective) to use on a security related mailing list. However, the contents of the message, not the signature, were very relevant to this list. I also believe it is up to the sender to decide how and when to express his political opinions and I would definitely stand up for his right to do so through a signature on a public mailing list, regardless of what his opinion of anything might be. In some parts of Europe, such freedom of speech is limited because of some of the not very pleasant stuff that has happened to Europe in the last century. But Mr. Meissner has not been calling for anything but a boycott, which is perfectly OK and although I don't think it might actually make the world a better place, I'm quite fed up (for example) with the US and Japan based corporations trying to impose a harmful patent legislation in the EU by bribing the officials and would, if I was the vocal sort, also describe this opinion in my signatures. Fortunately for all of the politically sensitive types out there, I don't to this. Since the proposed patent legislation can have a very serious impact on IT security, I think this is very on topic. I apologise to everyone who disagrees.
Keine Macht George W.Bush und seiner Junta zur Ausbeutung, Unterdrückung, Wahlbetrug, Christianisierung, Terror, Weltmacht & 'BigBrother-watching'. Für Freiheit und Demokratie, kauft keine U$-Waren!
Really, take it easy, it's just a signature. Besides, almost all US exports are made in China, anyway, so nothing would change. And forced democracy (the most important US export, afaik) is much like forced sex (sorry, couldn't resist, oversimplifying is just so much fun). Oh yes, one more thing: you are free not to read the e-mail signatures. -- Jure Koren, n.i.
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On Wednesday 02 March 2005 07:05, Angry wrote:
You are right, his signature may be a bit silly (from a given perspective) to use on a security related mailing list. However, the contents of the message, not the signature, were very relevant to this list. I also believe it is up to the sender to decide how and when to express his political opinions and I would definitely stand up for his right to do so through a signature on a public mailing list, regardless of what his opinion of anything might be. In some parts of Europe, such freedom of speech is limited because of some of the not very pleasant stuff that has happened to Europe in the last century.
But Mr. Meissner has not been calling for anything but a boycott, which is perfectly OK and although I don't think it might actually make the world a better place, I'm quite fed up (for example) with the US and Japan based corporations trying to impose a harmful patent legislation in the EU by bribing the officials and would, if I was the vocal sort, also describe this opinion in my signatures. Fortunately for all of the politically sensitive types out there, I don't to this.
Since the proposed patent legislation can have a very serious impact on IT security, I think this is very on topic. I apologise to everyone who disagrees.
Really, take it easy, it's just a signature. Besides, almost all US exports are made in China, anyway, so nothing would change. And forced democracy (the most important US export, afaik) is much like forced sex (sorry, couldn't resist, oversimplifying is just so much fun).
Oh yes, one more thing: you are free not to read the e-mail signatures.
I'm living in a poor country who just start "democracy in American way" and work in Japanese company. I know how it feels. Maybe, I'm the one who should speak loud about this thing ;-) I agree with you, it's a free list. Free not to read, free to speech because we love to use linux everyday. Edwin. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCJa7KkaMcq796kjoRAoFYAJ9PMeecYiQvrS9lAh1oDzE2Ut8sPwCeLUqt EX1s8/WQ4uO5XJ3OeJhCJE8= =3IEW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 07:17:20PM +0700, M. Edwin wrote:
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Jure Koren wrote:
On Wednesday 02 March 2005 07:05, Angry wrote:
"Think Free Speech, not Free Beer" Don't like it, use Windows.
You are right, his signature may be a bit silly (from a given perspective) to use on a security related mailing list. However, the contents of the message, not the signature, were very relevant to this list. I also believe it is up to the sender to decide how and when to express his political opinions and I would definitely stand up for his right to do so through a signature on a public mailing list, regardless of what his opinion of anything might be. In some parts of Europe, such freedom of speech is limited because of some of the not very pleasant stuff that has happened to Europe in the last century.
But Mr. Meissner has not been calling for anything but a boycott, which is perfectly OK and although I don't think it might actually make the world a better place, I'm quite fed up (for example) with the US and Japan based corporations trying to impose a harmful patent legislation in the EU by bribing the officials and would, if I was the vocal sort, also describe this opinion in my signatures. Fortunately for all of the politically sensitive types out there, I don't to this.
Since the proposed patent legislation can have a very serious impact on IT security, I think this is very on topic. I apologise to everyone who disagrees.
Really, take it easy, it's just a signature. Besides, almost all US exports are made in China, anyway, so nothing would change. And forced democracy (the most important US export, afaik) is much like forced sex (sorry, couldn't resist, oversimplifying is just so much fun).
Oh yes, one more thing: you are free not to read the e-mail signatures.
Germany is one of the best countries ever. Some in my family speak no English, which is one reason I started teaching myself German. /mich Kuss S.U.S.E. Look it up ;)
I'm living in a poor country who just start "democracy in American way" and work in Japanese company. I know how it feels. Maybe, I'm the one who should speak loud about this thing ;-)
I agree with you, it's a free list. Free not to read, free to speech because we love to use linux everyday.
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Oh finally I find this post I was looking for. And after reading it I now understand why the South only need half of what the North part of the US need to graduate high school. On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 11:57:24AM +0100, Jure Koren wrote:
On Wednesday 02 March 2005 07:05, Angry wrote:
I do not understand German, but I do have ksteak on my system.
LOL.
If I want the support that my US dollars makes me entitled to, I must use this list. I have no problem with the fact that it is hosted in a country other than my own.
Wow that's nice of you. Letting the little ones host it for you Eh? Standing up for Bush to a Distro based in Germany, where the developers are almost ALL German, and so am I.... Bush thought Germany was a Third World Country with no running water when he was elected. That should have been a sign you idiot republicans. and the Democrats, blah, "I give up".....
I have absolutely no problem with the person who ocassionally forgets and uses his native language on this list.
Well that sure is sweet of you to allow them to speak..... And you talk about arrogance?
However! Using this list to expouse political crap condeming the leader of a country, any country, is offensive, arrogant, out of order, uncalled for, and should be cause for being banned from this list!
OH MY GOD I hope you're joking because I'm pissing myself with laughter. So you want to ban him from this list because you don't like his signature? Hmmm, wow, reminds me of the Dixie Chicks getting boycotted BECAUSE THEY WERE ASHAMED TO BE FROM TEXAS LIKE BUSH IS. Where is it you find that even REMOTELY contitutional? "I don't like what you say so you should be taken away"...... America was a proud country long ago, and the saying wasn't whaty it is now, it used to be "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it". You're proof this country has lost the testicles it once had. If you don't like what someone says, DON'T LISTEN. Oh in case you like Dick Cheney, I call his followers DICK HEADS. Pill poppers are pill heads, Metal Lovers are Metal Heads, Dick Lovers are Dick Heads. :) Just think, someone in your family has given their life for my right to say that. Our forefathers would have set this country on fire if they knew it would be like this. You don't sit there in your little house telling everyone they are wrong or how to act you just accept not everyone is like you. It's called America and its supposed to be the land of the free.
I fully expect that you, and all others, will refrain from posting the likes of this, now, and in the future. I also expect an apology. To me, and to all the others on this list!
Oh you are a DUMB ass. Hell I'll sign you up for mailing lists that Republicans and Democrats hate just to piss you off now. Hell, maybe you'll get so fed up you'll turn the computer off and READ THE CONTITUTION. It's obviouse you never have. I expect an Apology too. You are breathing precious air for no reason because it's obviously not getting to your brain. Do us all a favor, grow gills and breath like a fish. Then you can get upset on IRC when someone hits you with a trout. An Apology for speaking his mind.... Heh, you're full of it. Now what are you going to do now? Ban my hit single form the Radio? Pfft. - The Gore Father.
You are right, his signature may be a bit silly (from a given perspective) to use on a security related mailing list. However, the contents of the message, not the signature, were very relevant to this list. I also believe it is up to the sender to decide how and when to express his political opinions and I would definitely stand up for his right to do so through a signature on a public mailing list, regardless of what his opinion of anything might be. In some parts of Europe, such freedom of speech is limited because of some of the not very pleasant stuff that has happened to Europe in the last century.
But Mr. Meissner has not been calling for anything but a boycott, which is perfectly OK and although I don't think it might actually make the world a better place, I'm quite fed up (for example) with the US and Japan based corporations trying to impose a harmful patent legislation in the EU by bribing the officials and would, if I was the vocal sort, also describe this opinion in my signatures. Fortunately for all of the politically sensitive types out there, I don't to this.
Since the proposed patent legislation can have a very serious impact on IT security, I think this is very on topic. I apologise to everyone who disagrees.
Keine Macht George W.Bush und seiner Junta zur Ausbeutung, Unterdrückung, Wahlbetrug, Christianisierung, Terror, Weltmacht & 'BigBrother-watching'. Für Freiheit und Demokratie, kauft keine U$-Waren!
Really, take it easy, it's just a signature. Besides, almost all US exports are made in China, anyway, so nothing would change. And forced democracy (the most important US export, afaik) is much like forced sex (sorry, couldn't resist, oversimplifying is just so much fun).
Oh yes, one more thing: you are free not to read the e-mail signatures.
-- Jure Koren, n.i.
Can we please drop this totally off topic thread. -- Until later, Geoffrey
"Angry" <angry@koalts.com> wrote:
Using this list to expouse political crap condeming the leader of a country, any country, is offensive, arrogant, out of order, uncalled for, and should be cause for being banned from this list!
Is this an official Net Police broadcast? ;-) Look up "freedom of speech", it is an interesting concept. Besides, for a first time offender, a ding around the earhole should suffice, and there are worse things than a little verbal Bush-whacking. Bush is a public figure, and many people neither respect nor like him and/or his deeds, so criticism is to be expected.
I also expect an apology. To me, and to all the others on this list!
Thanks, but I neither require you of all people to speak up for me, nor do I require an apology. Feel free to ask for an apology for personal use, though, if you really see any chance of getting one.
Angry as Hell!
That sentiment will surely pass, and as you were not personally targeted with the aim to offend you, I suggest you calm down. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Sincerely Dipl. Inform. Ralph Seichter HORUS-IT Ahornweg 10 D-57635 Oberirsen Tel +49 2686 987880 Fax +49 2686 987889 http://horus-it.de/
On Wednesday 02 March 2005 06:44, Ralph Seichter wrote:
Is this an official Net Police broadcast? ;-) Look up "freedom of speech", it is an interesting concept.
Alright! Since you insist, if it were not for my country, and the policies it stands for, you all (or y'all) would not have the oportunity to use "Free Speech"! It is, after all, an American idea and ideal! Without the US, you'd be speaking Japanise (Germany caved in first, remember?) Now, let's stop on this list, OK? You want to continue this? email me privately. I've been around since WWII, and am intimately able to discuss politics! Angry as Hell!
On Wednesday 02 March 2005 7:20 am, Angry wrote:
On Wednesday 02 March 2005 06:44, Ralph Seichter wrote:
Is this an official Net Police broadcast? ;-) Look up "freedom of speech", it is an interesting concept.
Alright! Since you insist, if it were not for my country, and the policies it stands for, you all (or y'all) would not have the oportunity to use "Free Speech"! It is, after all, an American idea and ideal! Without the US, you'd be speaking Japanise (Germany caved in first, remember?)
Now, let's stop on this list, OK? You want to continue this? email me privately. I've been around since WWII, and am intimately able to discuss politics!
Angry as Hell!
Marcus !! Since this is a *somewhat* moderated list, want to exersize your new powers??? j/k But the thread is getting BORING !! -- j I'm putting on the B-mer Brothers Would you mind putting on this grass skirt?
"Angry" <angry@koalts.com> wrote:
Alright! Since you insist, if it were not for my country, and the policies it stands for, you all (or y'all) would not have the oportunity to use "Free Speech"! It is, after all, an American idea and ideal! Without the US, you'd be speaking Japanise (Germany caved in first, remember?)
ROTFL! :-) That kind of comment had to be expected sooner or later, as a corollary to Godwin's Law. Ergo, by tradition, you lose and the thread is over. Maybe we could start a new thread about the fact that the idea of free speech predated the US of A by a couple of centuries, but not in this mailing list and only after I had a chance to stop laughing... -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Sincerely Dipl. Inform. Ralph Seichter HORUS-IT Ahornweg 10 D-57635 Oberirsen Tel +49 2686 987880 Fax +49 2686 987889 http://horus-it.de/
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 07:20:15AM -0500, Angry wrote:
On Wednesday 02 March 2005 06:44, Ralph Seichter wrote:
Is this an official Net Police broadcast? ;-) Look up "freedom of speech", it is an interesting concept.
Alright! Since you insist, if it were not for my country, and the policies it stands for, you all (or y'all) would not have the oportunity to use "Free Speech"! It is, after all, an American idea and ideal!
You talk a lot and appear to knw nothing.
Without the US, you'd be speaking Japanise (Germany caved in first, remember?)
What's wrong with that? Can't understand them so they are bad too huh?
Now, let's stop on this list, OK? You want to continue this? email me privately. I've been around since WWII, and am intimately able to discuss politics!
You mean the same WW2 where you had to risk your ass to stop Germany from taking over the world? Yes, I can see how the US single handedly saved Germany from falling apart.....
Angry as Hell!
Ignorance is bliss, what's wrong? I live in America, My family came here from Germany, your idiot blabbing isn't going to make me think my heritage is at all bad.
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Maske:
I do not understand German, but I do have ksteak on my system.
If I want the support that my US dollars makes me entitled to, I must use this list. I have no problem with the fact that it is hosted in a country other than my own. I have absolutely no problem with the person who ocassionally forgets and uses his native language on this list.
However! Using this list to expouse political crap condeming the leader of a country, any country, is offensive, arrogant, out of order, uncalled for, and should be cause for being banned from this list!
I fully expect that you, and all others, will refrain from posting the likes of this, now, and in the future.
I also expect an apology. To me, and to all the others on this list!
Angry as Hell!
This is offtopic and a political discussion and doesn't belong to this list. Unsuscribe if you are of different opinion. If you want to start a flamewar against all germans, speak to my hand! All signatures are made of their respected owners and each one is responsible for the content, don't blame the whole list with your thoughts of non free speech, which is a right of base. No reguards Philippe
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 16:24 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Yes. The maintainer was on leave last week which I did not notice, but I expect updates going out mid to end of this week.
Thanks for the update! It's working fine. For people which were using an older version, it will probably be necessary to add the "--quiet" option to clamdscan to make it work like before. (was necessary on my system with qmail + vmailmgrd + qmail-qfilter) regards, Olivier
Olivier Mueller wrote:
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 16:24 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Yes. The maintainer was on leave last week which I did not notice, but I expect updates going out mid to end of this week.
Thanks for the update! It's working fine. For people which were using an older version, it will probably be necessary to add the "--quiet" option to clamdscan to make it work like before. (was necessary on my system with qmail + vmailmgrd + qmail-qfilter)
Do you have an example where the output of 0.82 and 0.83 without --quiet differs? cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Development V_/_ http://www.suse.de/
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 14:01 +0100, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Olivier Mueller wrote:
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 16:24 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Yes. The maintainer was on leave last week which I did not notice, but I expect updates going out mid to end of this week.
Thanks for the update! It's working fine. For people which were using an older version, it will probably be necessary to add the "--quiet" option to clamdscan to make it work like before. (was necessary on my system with qmail + vmailmgrd + qmail-qfilter)
Do you have an example where the output of 0.82 and 0.83 without --quiet differs?
not directely, but I think this message may be useful: http://lists.untroubled.org/?list=bgware&cmd=showmsg&msgnum=4254 (it was between 0.81 and 0.82, not 0.82 and 0.83) regards, Olivier
On Monday 21 February 2005 3:39 am, Franz Alt wrote:
Hello,
in the latest SUSE Security Summary Report from Feb, 18th there is mentioned that Suse patches to ClamAV 0.82.
I would not suggest to install this particular update!
We had installed ClamAV 0.82 last week under BSD Plattform and there were "false positives". This means ClamAV declared some E-Mails with Powerpoint attachments as Virus.
<snip> Please understand, I am not being flippant here, but frankly , this doesn't seem to be wrong or irrational behaviour. At least for anyone who has had to sit thru interminable , and frequently unintelligable Power Point Presentations, the software i.e. ClamAV 0.82, is doing it's job very well. Also , I have it send all "positives" to a folder I can review later, and either agree or disagree w/ the program's results. Gradually, fewer and fewer items need my attention. -- j I'm putting on the B-mer Brothers Would you mind putting on this grass skirt?
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