Newbie-Frage: Gesamtgröße immer gleich groß nach dem booten ?
hallo zusammen, ist ein suse linux (6.2) system direkt nach dem booten von der größe aller zusammen gezählten dateien oder deren anzahl immer gleich ? problem: ich möchte einfach überwachen, ob sich an meinem system nichts geändert hat (hacker) ohne progs einzusetzen (tripwire...) deshalb möchte ich nach dem booten einfach alle meine dateien zählen lassen und wenn sie gleich groß und viel sind als am tag zuvor habe ich einigermassen die gewissheit das alles ok ist. kann mir das einer beantworten ? Mit freundlichen Grüßen, M. Beck Marcel Beck IT-Abteilung Steca GmbH Mammostraße 1 87700 Memmingen Fon: 08331 8558 769 Fax: 08331 8558 11 Mail: marcel.beck@steca.de Web: www.steca.de
Hello Marcel ! First of all, this is an English list, so please post your questions in English in the future :-)
ist ein suse linux (6.2) system direkt nach dem booten von der größe aller zusammen gezählten dateien oder deren anzahl immer gleich ? problem: ich möchte einfach überwachen, ob sich an meinem system nichts geändert hat (hacker) ohne progs einzusetzen (tripwire...) deshalb möchte ich nach dem booten einfach alle meine dateien zählen lassen und wenn sie gleich groß und viel sind als am tag zuvor habe ich einigermassen die gewissheit das alles ok ist.
I can't tell you whether a SuSE system always has the same size measured in Bytes or number of files at start-up. But I think a check of these two numbers is a very weak security check. Because if I want to change a programme without showing it directly, I would change it internally without changing the size of the file or the number of files. It's no problem to add some bytes at the end of a file to make it have the same size as before even if it does something totally different that the original. You should reconsider this approach and use one of the many programms available for checking Checksums at least. Greetings, Armin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Armin Schöch at the office: Institut für Atmosphärenphysik Ziolkowskistr. 10 / 63 Schlossstraße 6 D-18059 Rostock D-18225 Kühlungsborn Tel. +49-(0)381-4005781 Tel. +49-(0)38293-68-102
hallo zusammen,
ist ein suse linux (6.2) system direkt nach dem booten von der größe aller zusammen gezählten dateien oder deren anzahl immer gleich ? problem: ich möchte einfach überwachen, ob sich an meinem system nichts geändert hat (hacker) ohne progs einzusetzen (tripwire...) deshalb möchte ich nach dem booten einfach alle meine dateien zählen lassen und wenn sie gleich groß und viel sind als am tag zuvor habe ich einigermassen die gewissheit das alles ok ist. kann mir das einer beantworten ?
zahlreiche konfigurations dateien und log files (/var/log/messages) ändern sich sich jedesmal auser der rechner hängt nur am netz und schaft nix :) wenn du das zählscript auf bestimmte datei / verzeichnise beschränkst dürftest du keine probleme haben. wenn du alle logs abschaltest und nur der apache im hintergrund läuft der nur uploaded dürfte sich nix ändern. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
Hi, please post to this list in english only. On 22 Aug 2001, at 0:38, Michael Kunst wrote:
GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
Please note that in some countries advertisements are illegal without the prior allowance of the recipient with fines up to about USD 15.000,--. So either the list admin does a change in policies so that with subscribing to the list everyone allows to receive advertisments, or posters make shure no ads are included/added to their messages. Thank you mike
Hi,
On 22 Aug 2001, at 0:38, Michael Kunst wrote:
GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
Please note that in some countries advertisements are illegal without the prior allowance of the recipient with fines up to about USD 15.000,--. So either the list admin does a change in policies so that with subscribing to the list everyone allows to receive advertisments, or posters make shure no ads are included/added to their messages.
I see your problem with this. But not everybody is so lucky to have a direct email account. And many webmail services (GMX, Hotmail, Yahoo, Web.de) add these footers without asking the sender of the email whether he likes it or not. Bye, Armin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Armin Schöch at the office: Institut für Atmosphärenphysik Ziolkowskistr. 10 / 63 Schlossstraße 6 D-18059 Rostock D-18225 Kühlungsborn Tel. +49-(0)381-4005781 Tel. +49-(0)38293-68-102
Thomas Michael Wanka wrote:
Hi,
please post to this list in english only.
On 22 Aug 2001, at 0:38, Michael Kunst wrote:
GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
Please note that in some countries advertisements are illegal without the prior allowance of the recipient
...if the *main intention* of the mail is to send an advertisement. All according laws I'm aware of only refer to so-called spam email where the only (or main) intention is the sending of an advertisement. In this case, the intention of the mail was definitely different and the advertisement was only an addendum. So at least European laws do not prohibit this. If such two additional lines below an email are enough for somebody to sue the sender, I think this person has a very poor attitude. cu, Frank -- Dipl.-Inform. Frank Steiner mailto:fst@informatik.uni-kiel.de Lehrstuhl f. Programmiersprachen mailto:fsteiner@web.de CAU Kiel, Olshausenstraße 40 Phone: +49 431 880-7265, Fax: -7613 D-24098 Kiel, Germany http://www.informatik.uni-kiel.de/~fst/
Hi, On 23 Aug 2001, at 11:09, Frank Steiner wrote:
All according laws I'm aware of only refer to so-called spam email where the only (or main) intention is the sending of an advertisement. In this case, the intention of the mail was definitely different and the advertisement was only an addendum. So at least European laws do not prohibit this.
the Austrian law says:"E-Mail messages .... for advertisement purposes that do not have the prior consent of the subscriber are not permittet." You can find the (german) text at:"http://www.parlament.gv.at/pd/pm/XX/I/texte/020/I02064_.html". There is no indication that the intention of the message might be relevant. There is no pending judication however, so that may change. From the current point of view the sender of such messages/user of such providers is in risk to be fined with up to about USD 15.000,-- as might be the owner of this mailing list making it a possible security problem (security from acting illegal). This is not a question about two lines (summed up by probably many millions of messages a day or more), but a question of principles. And be aware, that a company is selling software to include more advertisements than just the two lines. See:"http://www.revanetworks.com/reva/corporate/admail/admail.ht ml" for reference. Discussions on the webboard of the austrian judges association resulted in the conclusion, that the sender (the customer) is liable for this. I just wanted to mention that as an information and warning for those who are not informed jet (and the list admins) to take measures to protect themselves. Further discussion is out of the scope of this list I think. HTH mike
Am Donnerstag, 23. August 2001 14:33 schrieb Thomas Michael Wanka:
Hi,
On 23 Aug 2001, at 11:09, Frank Steiner wrote:
All according laws I'm aware of only refer to so-called spam email where the only (or main) intention is the sending of an advertisement. In this case, the intention of the mail was definitely different and the advertisement was only an addendum. So at least European laws do not prohibit this.
the Austrian law says:"E-Mail messages .... for advertisement purposes that do not have the prior consent of the subscriber are not permittet." You can find the (german) text at:"http://www.parlament.gv.at/pd/pm/XX/I/texte/020/I02064_.html".
There is no indication that the intention of the message might be relevant. There is no pending judication however, so that may change. From the current point of view the sender of such messages/user of such providers is in risk to be fined with up to about USD 15.000,-- as might be the owner of this mailing list making it a possible security problem (security from acting illegal).
This is not a question about two lines (summed up by probably many millions of messages a day or more), but a question of principles. And be aware, that a company is selling software to include more advertisements than just the two lines. See:"http://www.revanetworks.com/reva/corporate/admail/admail.ht ml" for reference. Discussions on the webboard of the austrian judges association resulted in the conclusion, that the sender (the customer) is liable for this.
I just wanted to mention that as an information and warning for those who are not informed jet (and the list admins) to take measures to protect themselves. Further discussion is out of the scope of this list I think.
HTH
mike Just one question: is it an advertisment, if I mentioned my company in the footer ;-)
Guido -- ----------------- Guido Tschakert SRC GmbH, SysAd -----------------
On 2001.08.24 13:32:48 +0100 Guido Tschakert wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 23. August 2001 14:33 schrieb Thomas Michael Wanka:
Hi,
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mike
Just one question: is it an advertisment, if I mentioned my company in the footer ;-)
Guido -- ----------------- Guido Tschakert SRC GmbH, SysAd -----------------
What about the information contained in the headers ? I know I send out X-mailer and X-AntiVir "product endorsements", and you can always look at the www site on the domain name - in my case a commercial site. Could this be called an advertisment by such laws? Just 2 cents. Maf. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maf. King Standby Exhibition Services ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is easier to do a job right than to explain why you didn't." - Martin Van Buren ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi all, what can be treated as an ad by the austrian laws and what not is something everybody has to decide for himself. The same applies for the question of being in the reach of the austrian law. I would recommend everyone who is concerned about that to consult his local lawyer/law-information-system because this cannot be the same for everyone. HTH mike
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