Hello, I have just installed SuSE 7 about a month ago and have not had any messages recorded to /var/log/messages since Nov 21. Is this a sign of a healthy system or could there be a problem? Thanks in advance, Mike

On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 22:26 -0500, MaD dUCK wrote:

i am personally a big fan of subject prefixes, especially when i tell procmail to route several mailing lists into one folder. so whenever there is a list that does not have one, i add it with sed:

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That's exactly what I said. :) You're perfectly free to do whatever you want to with the messages you receive and record somewhere. It's *your* data when you're the terminal station. It's just that I don't allow a list admin (read: a transporter) to fiddle with the user supplied data (subject fields, reply-to fields, from fields, etc). And I get especially upset about this mangling when it causes some kind of information loss or causes me and other recipients extra work although there's no (real or sane) reason to cause this trouble. Regarding the "marking the list articles with a prefix in the subject" -- there are already nine(!) other pointers in the message header (plus the two in the footer) to recognize that the message belongs to the list. If that's not redundancy, what else is? virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig true | mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you.

On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 14:32 -0600, Mearl Danner wrote:

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:09:58 +0100 Gerhard Sittig wrote:

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Regarding the "marking the list articles with a prefix in the subject" -- there are already nine(!) other pointers in the message header (plus the two in the footer) to recognize that the message belongs to the list. If that's not redundancy, what else is?

None of which the brain-dead email client that I have to use at the office will filter on. I'm lucky to get it to work on "Subject:"

I can use Subject, from, to, cc, reply-to, in-reply-to, recipient, and all. It doen't allow for "and" or "or". Just one of the above exclusively. But then again if everyone would put the list in the "To" field instead of cc'ing the list it might make life a little easier.

How about '"all" contains "X-Mailinglist: suse-security"' then? This is exactly the "trick" in how to filter with Netscape mail frontends discussed a few dozen times in several suse lists in the past few years. And of course you're free to use any of the other ten occurencies of "suse-security". But the "X-Mailinglist:" is the one which got in for this very reason. virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig true | mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you.

[ ... reformatted for TOFU avoidance and readability, sigh ... ] On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 14:38 -0600, Mearl Danner wrote:

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:39:34 +0100 Gerhard Sittig wrote:

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How about '"all" contains "X-Mailinglist: suse-security"' then? This is exactly the "trick" in how to filter with Netscape mail frontends discussed a few dozen times in several suse lists in the past few years.

I'll try that, but IIRC all includes the body, which didn't work on some messages very well. It'll probably work all right on suse-security though.

Usually "all" includes the body as well as(!) the header. It's mainly found in those frontends which feel the user doesn't know any more about email than "from", "to", "subject", and "the message text". But it can be (ab)used to differ between "from", "to", "subject" and "other header lines the author was afraid of shocking the user when naming them since this would be too much info at once". There usually is no problem with searching for special header lines by means of "all", as long as you can avoid false positives. Just make the matching patterns as lengthy and as concrete as you can. The above example should do very well. The ability to specify "start of line" and "end of line" would be handy, too, and would suddenly eradicate _all_ false positives. virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig true | mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you.

On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Nix wrote:

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None of which the brain-dead email client that I have to use at the office will filter on. I'm lucky to get it to work on "Subject:"

I can use Subject, from, to, cc, reply-to, in-reply-to, recipient, and all. It doen't allow for "and" or "or". Just one of the above exclusively. But then again if everyone would put the list in the "To" field instead of cc'ing the list it might make life a little easier.

End of diatribe!! Maybe they'll let me use linux at work one of these days.

I have no idea what "X-Mailer: Execmail for Win32 5.1 Build (9) " is. But as long as you are using standards compliant mail servers. (Even MS Exchange) You may want to have a look at Eudora Pro. It's what I use, and I have not yet found an equivalently powerful (yet nice) mail client under linux. It and MS Word are the two things that keep me in windows most of my working day...

If anyone know about an equavelent to Eudora for Linux I would LOVE to hear about it.

Kmail and the like just don't cut it... Yet.

-Nix

If you are looking for sheer functionality and don't mind using the console, then the pine/procmail combo is the best that I have come across. Granted it is archaic, but it really is pretty powerful once you get past the lack of GUI. If you are looking for GUI, then I would say that Netscape Mail (when it doesn't catch on fire) or Kmail is about the best there is right now. Cliff

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Kurt Seifried wrote:

It's not gonna happen folks.

It might be necessary to mention that this is Kurt's opinion.

Kurt

The subject index thread: People who are subscribed to just a few mailing lists might very well get used to this feature. Those who sort their incoming mail into seperate designated folders are also capable of rewriting the message header upon mail delivery. The moderation thread: There has been a discussion about moderation some weeks ago. I've been asking people to give me some feedback, and I've received quite much of it. There were many valid arguments against as well as for moderation, but the decision was to not moderate the list for the time being. The decision was mainly based on two arguments: latency and latency. We can't moderate the list as long as this problem isn't solved yet. I'd like SuSE security concentrate on solving the issues rather than throttling the information flow on the public security mailing list. FAQ: Johannes Geiger (thanks) came up with the idea of having an FAQ (frequently asked questions) about the suse-security mailing list. I'm much in favour for this idea. Would someone vulunteer to write something so that we can merge the ideas, credits included, of course? I could send a clean, tidied-up draft to the list every once in a while, probably clearing up some questions that seem to reoccur every few weeks. So long, Roman. -- - - | Roman Drahtmüller // "Caution: Cape does | SuSE GmbH - Security Phone: // not enable user to fly." | Nürnberg, Germany +49-911-740530 // (Batman Costume warning label) | - -