Cipe and ipchains

Hello List: I'am trying to set up a Router with cipe and packetfiltering. "Routing" should be done by using the forward-chain. One question is: where took the cipe-Deamon place? Beetween input- and forward-chain or beetween forward- and output-chain or behind the output-chain or before the input-chain. I believe ciped is beetween forward- and output-chain. but I wouldn't bet on it ;-) Or Do you think it's bad to use ipchains and ciped together on one machine? THX Guido -- ----------------- Guido Tschakert SRC GmbH, SysAd -----------------